22-05-2002 07:07									#1
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http://msnbc-cnet.com.com/2100-1040-919313.html

It's a longish article so I'll let you click the link.

[rant]Sony's really getting on my nerves lately. They keep saying the console wars are over despite soaring Gamecube and Xbox sales and slowing PS2 sales. It seems they want to try to drill it into people's heads that all the other consoles are going to die off and Sony will be the only one left standing.

News of this comes 1 day after Microsoft announces it's spending $1B on Xbox Live and $2B on Xbox alone within the next five years.

It also comes 1 day after it was revealed that during the first five months of the PS2's life, it compares unfavourably with the Xbox. Xbox sold 1.8M consoles in the first five month in North America, PS2 sold 1.6M. The Xbox also sold 70% more software than the PS2 did in those first five months.

It sounds like Sony finally woke up and sounded the alarms internally that they're in trouble. They really think they can get away with charging people $40 extra to go online, and $80 to get the HD -- all of which are included in the Xbox (which is the same price as the PS2).

Yesterday it was confirmed that Metal Gear Solid 2 (you know, the game all the PS2 fanatics claim as the reason to buy the PS2) will be coming to the Xbox in a significantly updated version called MGS2: Substance.

And today it was confirmed that Rockstar has abandonded its nearly complete Xbox port of GTA3 (announced back in January 2001) as Sony threw an undisclosed pile of money at them to keep GTA3 exclusive to the PS2 until October 2004. [/rant]

Now that the hardware in the PS2 is two years old, lacks integral online components, how does Sony honestly think the console wars are over? As more time passes, the PS2 games look worse and worse compared to the cheaper Gamecube and same-priced Xbox.

The only advantage Sony had, game library, is slowly shrinking as well with over 200 Xbox games due out before the holiday season this year.

Sony's living in their own dreamworld, and I really hope it nips them hard in the ass.

	22-05-2002 07:11									#2
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I'm just curious as to what the NEXT generation of gaming consoles will be.

Ybox? Nintendo Gamediamond? Playstation 3?

	22-05-2002 07:14									#3
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You have at least another year to wait before you get to find out.

Asher: Does this thread mean that you view Sony as becoming irrelevent in the console wars?

	22-05-2002 07:15									#4
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Morrowind is comeing to the X-box as well. but of course I have a computer so it seem stilly buying an X-box.

But if I didn't have a computer I would get the X-box over PS2. It seems to have the best of both worlds.

	22-05-2002 07:16									#5
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Monolith: It's all but confirmed that the Xbox next-gen will be called Xbox² and the PlayStation 3.

Nintendo will probably go for something really odd again.

On a sidenote, here's how I'd clump recent generations of consoles (leaving out some that I don't know much about):

SNES
Genesis

PlayStation
Nintendo 64

DreamCast
PlayStation 2

Gamecube
Xbox

I mean, as far as I'm concerned GC and Xbox blow the PS2 away when it comes to technology, which is how generations are marked.

	22-05-2002 07:19									#6
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DC and PS2 are both sort of stuck in the middle as uncomfortably between-generation systems, PS2 closer to the next-gen GC and XBox, and DC closer to the N64. If I buy one of these, it'll probably be an GameCube; I'm not too fond of the idea of paying 300$CAN for a video game console...

	22-05-2002 07:20									#7
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Asher: Does this thread mean that you view Sony as becoming irrelevent in the console wars?

Certainly not, but they are way too full of themselves.

I really hope for an equal environment for all three consoles. I want all to survive, but Sony's just being stupid and ripping people off.

They're overcharging for obsolete hardware, they charge for EVERYTHING extra (multi-tap, memory cards, hard drive, ethernet), and they're trashtalking everyone else and claiming to have won the console war just as it's starting.

I think that as years pass, more people will acquire the GC and/or Xbox if they already have a PS2. The benefits are clearly there, in terms of visuals and types of games available (see Blinx which isn't possible at all on the PS2).

	22-05-2002 07:34									#8
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On a hardware basis, the X-Box represents a stunning amount of value (I know, because I know how much the chips cost!). It will be difficult for Sony to get to that stage even in a next generation machine.

	22-05-2002 07:42									#9
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And Remember, Microsoft can really afford to run in the red for a while with the consoles.

	22-05-2002 07:55									#10
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I think most of the Xbox success can be explained with the Xbox being more of a multimediastation than it's competitors. I wouldn't go out on a limb guessing that many people buy it mainly for the DVD, which is in par with those costing around $700.

The European sales figures are way lower than in NA, btw. Over here it's almost a fiasco.

	22-05-2002 07:57									#11
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Very few people in North America buy the consoles for being a DVD player. Last I heard the DVD playback kit for Xbox sold very poorly.

Most people buying game consoles tend to already have a DVD player. You can get them for like $90-$100 now.

Most of the Xbox's success comes from the launch title games like Halo and DOA3 that really enticed people.

And you know North Americans -- bigger is better. More power too...*tim taylor grunt*

	22-05-2002 08:02									#12
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Heh. You wait — in five years MS will have extended its monopoly beyond Windows and the Internet to the home gaming market. And I bet there will still be people defending that corporate monopoly (after all, uniformity is GREAT), no matter if it was the government pulling that crap, the very same people would be going apesh*t.

Yep, MS is the monpolist of today and tomorrow!

Gatekeeper

	22-05-2002 08:06									#13
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It will take alot more than the Xbox to squash Nintendo (who has already outlasted one competitor already).

	22-05-2002 08:06									#14
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Sony is more evil than MS, everyone knows that. I mean, Sony's part of RIAA and MPAA too.

I'd rather have a MS Monopoly over a Sony Monopoly. Microsoft makes crap piracy protection.

DinoDoc: Nintendo will always be around as I see it. I don't think it'd be too wise for them to try a new console after the GCN though. I think it'd be better for them (read: more profitable) and better for everyone as a whole if they went multiplatform like Sega.

	22-05-2002 08:11									#15
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It will take alot more than the Xbox to squash Nintendo (who has already outlasted one competitor already).

Sonic on a Nintendo system; I never thought I'd see the day...

	22-05-2002 08:13									#16
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Sonic on a Nintendo system; I never thought I'd see the day...

Nintendo is the Borg of the home console systems.

	22-05-2002 08:16									#17
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It's cool with me, because Sega and Nintendo were both near and dear to my heart...

	22-05-2002 08:18									#18
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Heh. I'd like to see Nintendo, Sony and MS with 33.3 percent of the market each, give or take a percentage point apiece to leave room for smaller companies and/or individuals. That would be a good marketplace arrangement ... too bad it likely won't come to fruition.

Gatekeeper

	22-05-2002 08:18									#19
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The next Sonic game may not actually be coming to the Gamecube.

After all, the Sonic Team is working on an Xbox Exclusive game right now and Sega refuses to name the console for the next Sonic game.

	22-05-2002 08:18									#20
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I just checked out an in-game movie off Blinx. Nice graphics. Nice sound. I just didn't feel the urge to play it.

IMO, only the Japanese and Brits (read: Rare) know how to make video games.

	22-05-2002 08:20									#21
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Blinx is still 7 months away from release, and from the IGN GameCube boards about 80% of the GCN people posting are whining about how they want it.

I don't honestly see how you can want to play Mario Sunshine but not Blinx. Sunshine is Mario 64 with a waterpack.

I swear, if the cat was Mario you'd go into orgasm right now.

But if you think only the Japanese and Brits can make good games, you definitely picked the right console.

I can't stand Pokemon and Mario games. So unoriginal, it's milking the Franchise like the Jason X movie.

I want originality over repetition.
Japanese developers are even more into the pop culture than American teenagers. It's sick.

	22-05-2002 08:26									#22
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Asher, do you realize that the GameCube is more than Mario and Pokemon?

	22-05-2002 08:27									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The next Sonic game may not actually be coming to the Gamecube. After all, the Sonic Team is working on an Xbox Exclusive game right now and Sega refuses to name the console for the next Sonic game.

Nintendo already has a sonic game out...

	22-05-2002 08:28									#24
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Nintendo already has a sonic game out...

DreamCast ports don't count.

And I meant next sonic game.

	22-05-2002 08:31									#25
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quote: I don't honestly see how you can want to play Mario Sunshine but not Blinx. Sunshine is Mario 64 with a waterpack.

Well, (as you may have guessed) Mario64 was my all-time favourite game. [nerd mode]Playing it was almost a religious experience for me. [/nerd mode]. I still have erotic dreams about it.

And hearing Sunshine is a sheer continuation of M64 is just great, IMO. Why change a winning concept?

I don't have a "thing" for Mario, really. He could be a transsexual cheerleader for all I care. It's the environments and moods that the games are all abouts. I just know that everything Miyamoto touches turns to gold. yup

	22-05-2002 08:31									#26
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Asher, do you realize that the GameCube is more than Mario and Pokemon?

Not really, according to Nintendo.

It's the same damn franchizes over and over and over.
Here's a run down of their press conference today:

	22-05-2002 08:33									#27
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quote: I just know that everything Miyamoto touches turns to gold.

Except for the 3 Zelda games which never made it to market.

What about Pikmin? Does anyone actually like that?

	22-05-2002 08:38									#28
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Star Fox hasn't been a platformer before, IIRC. It used to be a shooter with crappy vector graphics.

I think it's very hard to break through with new characters when it comes to platformers/cartoons. Just look at Donald Duck, been around forever. Most of the new attempts have been done before, and better.

	22-05-2002 08:40									#29
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I LIKE franchise games. I know what I'm getting, plus some new stuff.

What is Square's status with regard to exclusive deals? Still all Sony?

	22-05-2002 08:40									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Not really, according to Nintendo.

Asher, go to the website and you'll se a wealth of good games that are due out. None of which are the derivative peices of crap that you seem to be suggesting. And even a few of the franchises that you list here are taking chances with an established formula: ex. Star Fox Adventures - Dinosaur Planet.