23-05-2002 02:16									#61
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Ask Nevada how legal prostitution is working there. The prostitutes are unionized, for pete's sake.

	23-05-2002 02:17									#62
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AFAIAC one of the most interesting things about the dutch is their long history of liberalism and respect for private values which has led to their society laws being so libertarian.

	23-05-2002 02:47									#63
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quote: Their certain issues that I wish were simply given to women to decide. The legalization of prostitution and abortion are two of these. Men are not adversely affected to any great degree by either of these issues. However women are. I would respect their vote.

Well, our abortion laws are a direct result of Feminist actions during the late 70's and '80's... And the proces of legalisation of prostitution had some involvement from the Rode Draad (The Red Thread, a sort of prostitute's labour union)...

I have to admit that legalisation had some unforeseen side effects though...

	23-05-2002 02:57									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Ask Nevada how legal prostitution is working there. The prostitutes are unionized, for pete's sake.

Boris, It is not legal in LV and Reno. Why?

The issue is not about the treatment of women prostitutes. I know, an everyone knows, that they fare far better when prostitution is legal. But it is illegal because most women do not want it at all.

I just wonder about Holland. Perhaps Oprah could host the women of Holland to discuss this issue.

Ned

	23-05-2002 03:00									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij quote: There are certain issues that I wish were simply given to women to decide. The legalization of prostitution and abortion are two of these. Men are not adversely affected to any great degree by either of these issues. However women are. I would respect their vote. Well, our abortion laws are a direct result of Feminist actions during the late 70's and '80's... And the proces of legalisation of prostitution had some involvement from the Rode Draad (The Red Thread, a sort of prostitute's labour union)... I have to admit that legalisation had some unforeseen side effects though...

Hueij, What side effects?

	23-05-2002 03:07									#66
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Ned, since the people who made the most money out of prostitution lost a lot of income they turned to other ways... Luring third world women to Europe with all kind of promises so they ended up in the illegal circuit (modern day slavery) and the influx of Eastern European women because of the same reason or because they are hoping to make a fast buck (and ending in the clutches of the same people...)

All is not well in Paradise...

	23-05-2002 03:19									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py I'm not happy to be dutch, but give me reasons why I should be, anything that's actually USEFUL and MORALLY GOOD

Well, I guess the Netherlands is at present (one of) the most tolerant and 'free' countries in the world, with legal and regulated prostitution and drugs use, equal rights for all citizens (gay marriage, etc), religious tolerance (most of the time), legal abortion, etc. And, as mentioned before, with a few exceptions here and there (WWII, slave trade, iconoclasm), it has a tradition of this going back all the way to Roman times. The Netherlands are certainly not a nation of saints but overall we're doing pretty well in this respect, if I may say so myself.

How's that for being useful and morally good?



Edit: typos, grammer

	23-05-2002 03:58									#68
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Roman times? Ah, the good old days.

Someone in Holland ought to invite Oprah to do a series, expecially on the adverse consequences, if any, on legalized drugs and prostitution. That would be a really interesting show.

	23-05-2002 04:18									#69
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hm, we could also ask Jerry Springer what he thinks

	23-05-2002 04:40									#70
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what's good about the dutch?

Pfff, don't get me started please. ::

	23-05-2002 04:50									#71
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flemish/dutch
lots of jokes from eachother

	23-05-2002 06:15									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Quite the contrary: So according to Jesus, smoking weed wont make you unclean.

Provided of course that you don't exhale.

	23-05-2002 06:19									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Well, I guess the Netherlands is at present (one of) the most tolerant and 'free' countries in the world, with legal and regulated prostitution and drugs use, equal rights for all citizens (gay marriage, etc), religious tolerance (most of the time), legal abortion, etc. And, as mentioned before, with a few exceptions here and there (WWII, slave trade, iconoclasm), it has a tradition of this going back all the way to Roman times. The Netherlands are certainly not a nation of saints but overall we're doing pretty well in this respect, if I may say so myself. How's that for being useful and morally good? Edit: typos, grammer

They're also now the world's largest producer and exporter of synthetic illegal drugs like Ecstacy, PCP, LSD, and MDA.

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove They're also now the world's largest producer and exporter of synthetic illegal drugs like Ecstacy, PCP, LSD, and MDA.

The more I learn about them, the more I love them.

	23-05-2002 09:50									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove They're also now the world's largest producer and exporter of synthetic illegal drugs like Ecstacy, PCP, LSD, and MDA.

Oh Oh. This kind of activity breeds a criminal underground. Maybe this is the source of increasing violence in Holland.

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what increasing violence?

and yeah, we do produce a lot of synthetic drugs. Our main client is the USA. We sell them more drugs than cheese.

funny that the war on drugs hasn't targetted Holland yet.

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I don't think overseas cheese sales are quite too popular to the USA.

And the vast majority of drugs smoked in the US come from the US, Canada, or Mexico. It's much cheaper that way than all the way from Holland.

	23-05-2002 14:18									#78
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I don't believe in sin.

'nuff said

	23-05-2002 14:54									#79
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what do you call sex with children then?

quote: And the vast majority of drugs smoked

I'm talking about syntetic drugs, like XTC. the mayority of that comes from Holland.

	23-05-2002 14:54									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus I'm talking about syntetic drugs, like XTC. the mayority of that comes from Holland.

So that's why I don't like E.
Always wondered what it was.

	23-05-2002 15:27									#81
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quote: funny that the war on drugs hasn't targetted Holland yet.

Dont give them ideas, or we are faster on the axis of evil than you can say cheese

Hmm, although atacking a country with Harry Potter as a leader seems a bit odd ... Ha, you just try! Harry will beat the crap out of you with his magic tricks

	23-05-2002 15:29									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij I just like it here, a small country trying to find its way in the Big Bad World, decent standard of living, not enough political differences to beat each others head in....

And certainly not enough to shoot one another over.

	23-05-2002 15:37									#83
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All trolling aside, I spent about a week in Amsterdam a couple of years ago visiting my girlfriend's cousin and his wife while we were vacationing in Europe. I liked Amsterdam a lot. I never knew that it was such a beautiful city, much nicer IMO than Paris. We had a very nice time. I also have a lot of Dutch friends on the internet. I swear that the Dutch have the highest number of people per capita with the same interests that I have, or it at least seems that way. All in all it gives me a good impression. I wouldn't want to live there, but I'll gladly visit as often as I can.

	23-05-2002 17:04									#84
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quote: What goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean, but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean.

I think it's nice that God's answered the 'spit or swallow' question for us.