22-05-2002 15:15									#1
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I am half dutch; and I noticed that so many dutch ppl seem to sin like there's no tomorrow; sex, drugs and money. Is there anything that's actually GOOD about the dutch?

	22-05-2002 15:26									#2
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What is a sin to you isn't a sin over here! That's the best part of Holland (apart from the windmills, wooden shoes, tulips and dikes of course)

	22-05-2002 15:31									#3
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Ok, a sin to God.

	22-05-2002 16:04									#4
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quote: sex, drugs and money. Is there anything that's actually GOOD about the dutch?

I think you answered your own question there, bud.

	22-05-2002 16:17									#5
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As a lazy American I like the fact that they speak English well.

	22-05-2002 17:11									#6
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40% Atheists. That explains why so many ppl. dont care about Sins and stuff like that...
I like it

Find me a better country...

	22-05-2002 17:32									#7
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The dutch RULE! The are the coolest people in europe.

	22-05-2002 18:22									#8
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Where does God say that smoking weed is a sin? I never heard of anything like that in the Bible.

	22-05-2002 18:26									#9
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What are they good for ? Absolutely nothin' !

	22-05-2002 18:27									#10
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You forgot to clearly mention euthanasia and prosititution - sins.

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Say it again now!

	22-05-2002 18:33									#12
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ok.

Dutch-I despise
'Cos it means destruction
Of innocent lives
Dutch means tears
To thousands of mothers how
When their sons go off to fight
And lose their lives
I said
Dutch
It's an enemy of all mankind
No point of Dutch
'Cos you're a man

	22-05-2002 18:35									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's You forgot to clearly mention euthanasia and prosititution - sins.

Oh don't tell me you are getting all Christian on us now

What's good about 'em? All that nice cake

	22-05-2002 18:36									#14
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quote: Where does God say that smoking weed is a sin

Actually Americans smoke more weed than the dutch.
Some recent study says:
Kids below 16 smoked weed at least once:
Netherlands: 7% US: 15%
Over 16:
Netherlands: 30% US: 38%

The diffrence is, that it is no sin for us

	22-05-2002 18:40									#15
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I've seen those stats too, Tom. It's difficult to convince people here in the States that decriminalization won't lead to everybody getting high, even when there is evidence to demonstrate that though.

	22-05-2002 18:41									#16
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The Dutch are the most fantastic people in the whole world. But of course, I'm half-Dutch, so you should take that with a pinch of salt.

	22-05-2002 18:44									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Felch X I've seen those stats too, Tom. It's difficult to convince people here in the States that decriminalization won't lead to everybody getting high, even when there is evidence to demonstrate that though.

Legalization and taxation would be the way to go.

	22-05-2002 18:49									#18
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It's unfortunate that we don't live in an Apolocracy, since y'all seem to be the only common sense people in the world.

But then I think of people like UberKrux, CivNation, and Ming, and I remember why that would be bad too.

	22-05-2002 18:53									#19
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Ming?

	22-05-2002 19:00									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Felch X Where does God say that smoking weed is a sin? I never heard of anything like that in the Bible.

Quite the contrary:

quote: Matthew 15:11 What goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean, but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean.

So according to Jesus, smoking weed wont make you unclean.

	22-05-2002 19:07									#21
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So according to Jesus, it is a sin to breathe out? Damn, I'm surprised more Christians haven't asphyxiated by now

	22-05-2002 19:15									#22
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There were some Dutch people in WW2 who risked their lives to save the Jews. Some ended up in German concentration camps for their efforts, and some died there. I can never despise the Dutch people for their humanity in this time of testing. For the ones who delivered their neighbors to the Nazis I can only say that every good country has their bad apples. I judge the nation as an asset to humanity.

	22-05-2002 19:22									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py I am half dutch; and I noticed that so many dutch ppl seem to sin like there's no tomorrow; sex, drugs and money.

So how is this different from, e.g., the US of A?

BTW, "to sin" is a Christian verb. A majority of the Dutch are not Christians. Take on a philosophical attitude for five minutes and ask yourself why you seem to think of Christianity as a default ideology which is above all discussion. That's the way Muslims look at Islam.

In spite of what your prejudiced opinions suggest, even our most "sinful" city, Amsterdam, is a much more pleasant place to live in than Washington, London or Paris -- less crime, fewer drugs victims, less corruption, less racism, fewer abortions.

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	22-05-2002 19:27									#24
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I was recently in Paris and Amsterdam, and I have to say a felt a little bit safer in Paris than Amsterdam at night. Maybe they are just more visible, but there seems to be more aggressive bums in Amsterdam.

I still like Amsterdam better overall though.

	22-05-2002 19:29									#25
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"it is a sin to breathe out?"

In California it is now legal to smoke in public places -- but no exhaling allowed. So far this new anti-smoking strategy is working. Three hundred and forty former smokers are now dead (from exploded lungs).

	22-05-2002 19:30									#26
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Less crime ? Well hell yes. If everything is legal there's bound to be less crime.

	22-05-2002 19:33									#27
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That's a good point Slowhand. I never thought of it that way. You may have just solved the world's crime problem!

	22-05-2002 19:34									#28
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Legal? It is not our country where you are allowed to shoot at trespassing ppl.

	22-05-2002 19:44									#29
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I like the Netherlands and the Dutch. I personally approve of their government's policies almost entirely, with the exception being their policy of giving money to the PLO.

There is one smear on Dutch history, and that is their colonialism and imperialism, but all European countries have some of that.

	22-05-2002 19:47									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Tom201 Legal? It is not our country where you are allowed to shoot at trespassing ppl.

That's only in Chicago.