22-05-2002 23:10									#1
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I was looking at Red Jons bisexual thread, and thinking that bisexuals were just sex hogs.

Which somehow got me to thinking about Agnostics vs. Atheists.
Seems to me that, like bisexuals, they just want all their bases covered.
Is this essentially correct ?

	22-05-2002 23:26									#2
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No, I disagree.

I don't buy into organized religion, but cannot discard the possibility, however small, that there is some "higher power." I highly doubt there is, but there are still an awful lot of unknowns in the universe.

There is a wide range of opinion, I'm sure.

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	22-05-2002 23:26									#3
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No. I don't care about covering any bases, I see no reason to do that. I am agnostic because while I do not worship a God or think any religion has stumbled across the real nature of God, I refuse to discount God's existence. To do so would be immensely arrogant on the part of any person.

	22-05-2002 23:27									#4
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Fredreich Engels called agnoistism "shame-faced materialism." They just don't have the cajones to admit what they know to be true.

Bisexuality isn't even close to being the same thing.

	22-05-2002 23:28									#5
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Which somehow got me to thinking about Agnostics vs. Atheists. Seems to me that, like bisexuals, they just want all their bases covered. Is this essentially correct ?

No, you ****ing moron.

	22-05-2002 23:29									#6
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Bisexuals are, not by choice, bisexuals.

Agnostics are, by choice, people who don't know or don't care about the possibility of a God. If there is a God, he damn well let me live my life how I please. If there isn't a God, no harm done.

I don't see a point to arguing either way. It's trivial.

	22-05-2002 23:29									#7
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Could you expand a little on your basis of thought , Asher?
Or is pasting a rolly-eyed smiley the best shot you have?

	22-05-2002 23:31									#8
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It's akin to me asking you: How do you feel being a heterosexual just to fit in?

It's a bullshit question by an ignorant person.

	22-05-2002 23:34									#9
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Fredreich Engels called agnoistism "shame-faced materialism." They just don't have the cajones to admit what they know to be true.

...that God doesnt exist?

Anyone who claims they "know this to be true" is incredibly arrogant.

	22-05-2002 23:36									#10
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Don't sugarcoat it, Asher. Tell me how you feel.

	22-05-2002 23:39									#11
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Clarify for the ignorant one here. Agnostics don't necessairly believe in God but don't dicount the possibility that there could.....maybe....someday be one. And of course Atheists just don't believe that there is any God anywhere right?

	22-05-2002 23:40									#12
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i don't agree, but man that title had me laughing

	22-05-2002 23:42									#13
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How is other people get away with saying bullshit?

EDIT: Whoa! I said it! Go me!

	22-05-2002 23:42									#14
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From Webster's- Agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

	22-05-2002 23:46									#15
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand From Webster's- Agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

And how does that contradict anything the agnostics here have said? Or show that agnostics are somehow lacking in balls?

	22-05-2002 23:48									#16
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ahhhhhHHhhhh thank you.

	22-05-2002 23:48									#17
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you can always add "< x >" (without the quotes, without the spaces) between any two letters of the phrase to dodge the censor, Boris.

Watch and learn...

wan < x > ker (without spaces) = wanker

	22-05-2002 23:49									#18
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Follow along with me here, Boris.

Atheists say they don't believe.
Christians (and other religions) say they do.

Agnostics sit on the fence.

	22-05-2002 23:50									#19
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nothing to see here....

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	22-05-2002 23:51									#20
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Cal, are you at work, or left alone in the nursery?

	22-05-2002 23:53									#21
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oh dear, look what i've started

	22-05-2002 23:55									#22
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Caligastia, if Ming or another mod sees you bypassing the censor, you will get it. I've seen it happen before.

Slow: Such an assertion is bullshit, because it relies on an either/or proposition. Nothing in the real world is black/white, either/or. There's nothing wrong or non-commital about picking None of the Above. I am firmly, commitedly agnostic, for the reasons I stated above. Explain to me how I'm a fence-sitter.

	22-05-2002 23:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Follow along with me here, Boris. Atheists say they don't believe. Christians (and other religions) say they do. Agnostics sit on the fence.

I simply can not fathom how you come to that conclusion.


Athiests do not believe in a god, Christians do, and agnostics don't care - I don't see how there is even room for 'fence sitting' in this picture.

	22-05-2002 23:55									#24
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Yeah. WTG, Orange. And Cal is one of the more sensible here.

	22-05-2002 23:58									#25
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Cal, are you at work, or left alone in the nursery?

gaga goo ga

	22-05-2002 23:58									#26
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Osweld, you speak English in Canada? Or are you French?
What you quoted says, Athesists say they don't believe.

As for you Boris, if you go either/neither way, how is that not sitting on the fence?

	23-05-2002 00:06									#27
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Slow:

I don't know the true nature of God, nor does anyone, and I don't think humans can ever know the true nature of God. That's not fence-sitting, as fence-sitting would be vascilating between thinking he does and doesn't exist.

	23-05-2002 00:08									#28
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I was looking at Red Jons bisexual thread, and thinking that bisexuals were just sex hogs. Which somehow got me to thinking about Agnostics vs. Atheists. Seems to me that, like bisexuals, they just want all their bases covered. Is this essentially correct ?

nah!

Atheists say: there is no God. (a-theos = No God)

Agnostics say: I don't know whether there is or not. Also it is impossible to know (a-gnossis - no knowledge)

	23-05-2002 00:08									#29
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That just means that he's leaving room open for the possibility in the future to change his mind if he so desires. Correct?

Is that really fence sitting? I would think that's leaving one self open to have one's mind changed if enough evidence comes along to satisfy one. Not having a totally closed mind on the subject if you will.

	23-05-2002 00:08									#30
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Agnostics are the wisest ones. They're not making any decision without proof one way or the other.