25-05-2002 02:28									#121
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what's a C E catholic?

foreign economy/business
and occasionally international politics.

	25-05-2002 03:58									#122
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Christmas and Easter.


So how come you don't come talk to the macro weenies in the Saras started thread?

	25-05-2002 04:00									#123
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Oh I see I'm a C and E orthodox as well


I'm here at Apolyton to be a jerk not to be serious.

	25-05-2002 04:11									#124
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Oh I see I'm a C and E orthodox as well I'm here at Apolyton to be a jerk not to be serious.

It's fun sometimes to have a serious discussion. With Sten about bond trading or with KittyHorse about physics or with MTG about infantry tactics.

	25-05-2002 04:15									#125
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Of course it's interesting. I just don't think that Apolyton is the place for it.

	25-05-2002 04:34									#126
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you are ok you silly greek

you just have a little distorted point of view.

	25-05-2002 04:35									#127
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i'm just trolling vetlegion dont believe everything that you read

	25-05-2002 04:36									#128
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Paiktis, speaking from his standard position

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	25-05-2002 04:39									#129
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Vetlegion trying to fish for new "ideas"

	25-05-2002 04:41									#130
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always armed and ready are you good jurnalist

	25-05-2002 04:44									#131
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If the resources are good...

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...30&pagenumber=1

	25-05-2002 05:07									#132
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Of course it's interesting. I just don't think that Apolyton is the place for it.

Too bad...

	25-05-2002 10:19									#133
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I didn't have the patience to read it all, I just want to say that Pope visit Romania too and everything was OK. The visit was at our patriarch invitation.

	25-05-2002 10:38									#134
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 i had a friend form slovakia, his country meant nothing, like croatia means nothing so he identified with the catholic crowd of europe always thought that was a bit funny

I gather this is a joke since you reflexively identify with the Orthodox crowd in Serbia.

Always thought that was a bit funny

	25-05-2002 11:12									#135
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I can see why most of the Orthodox want nothing to do with the Pope. The simply do not agree that the See of Rome is superior to all others.

But with Greece, it also concerns the fall of Constantinople. Paiktiss, you may want to jump in here. But most Greeks I have met speak of Constantinople in loving terms. They look on Constantinople as the capitol of their nation. It fell in 1453 to the Turks because Rome and the Catholic west did not send (enough)aid when it was most needed. Emperor John has requested Rome's assistence in the last visit of a Roman emperor to Rome. The request was granted, but on condition that the Orthodox church once again recognize Roman See as the first among the Patriarchs. The Emperor agreed. But the Patriarch of Constinople did not agree.

As a result, Constantinople fell. Resentment against the Pope for this "betrayal" or "power grab" obviously remains strong.

	25-05-2002 21:11									#136
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They should just resent their own pathetic lack of martial expertise. If they want to be independent, fine. But don't come crawling back to Rome for protection like little babies, every time the Turks kick their asses...

	25-05-2002 21:25									#137
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And then you want to engage in "serious" talk GP...

See there is a fundamental problem with a lot of people. They deem "wise" and "intelligent" what comforms with their own system of beliefs or simply with their ideas. They discard as worthless whatever does not comform.

Great for an ego boost but not exactly the ideal platform for seriousness especially in an internet forum

	25-05-2002 22:12									#138
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and for the necessairy troll:

US wants to fight "terrorism"

blame your own inadequicy for getting your people killed

stop bothering the rest of the world who can't care less

	25-05-2002 22:13									#139
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quote: It fell in 1453 to the Turks because Rome and the Catholic west did not send (enough)aid when it was most needed

are you just telling me this or do you think it is reasonable justification to dislike the pope?

lets take the Turkis example. find an atlas and look at borders of my country (croatia). they are not very natural are they? because of the turks too. so should we hate the turks because of it still? ofcourse not. (although there are many proverbs and jokes in the people about turks, and there are still celebrations of liberation from them in some areas)

but not even kids think that nowadays turkey is to blame.

that is just one example, I mean with europe's history of wars everyonef/i] should be pissed of at [i]everyone else.

	25-05-2002 22:15									#140
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btw. paiktis I believe you average greek doesnt give a fook.

but Greek church does. Russian also, Serbian also.
Have churches become preservers of ancient grudges?

	25-05-2002 22:17									#141
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion btw. paiktis I believe you average greek doesnt give a fook. but Greek church does. Russian also, Serbian also. Have churches become preservers of ancient grudges?

lots of things are used to gain "leverage" of all sorts
religion is one of those I guess. also the Pope never really hid his inspirations for a unity of the churches under him and that does not help either I think.

BTW it was really funny to see the "exchange" betwen state and church about the pope.

state: come on... let him come... pretty please?
church: we'll see

	25-05-2002 22:20									#142
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quote: lots of things are used to gain "leverage" of all sorts religion is one of those I guess

I agree

quote: also the Pope never really hid his inspirations for a unity of the churches under him and that does not help either I think

but think of benefits to wolrd hygiene if all greek monks had to shave

	25-05-2002 22:23									#143
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they look cool as they are
way cooler than the shaved tops you have


btw take a loot at this gal and then tell me you don't love bulgaria



(feathers in hat originate from you know who (think ancient greek perikefalees )

BTW shouldn;t the pope have somone next to him? he seems ready to collapse the poor guy

	25-05-2002 22:24									#144
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quote: state: come on... let him come... pretty please? church: we'll see

hey, who is financing the church? yep, government. they should have brougt that up

btw does Greek church have impact on voters?
In Croatia church has quite some impact.

	25-05-2002 22:27									#145
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quote: BTW shouldn;t the pope have somone next to him? he seems ready to collapse the poor guy

just trying to catch a look under the skirt. I dont blame him

	25-05-2002 22:28									#146
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion btw does Greek church have impact on voters? In Croatia church has quite some impact.

it does not have an impact no.

but the new patriarch is starting to mess around with political issues, something that is frowned upon

(something that in the catholic/protestant world is very widespread practice :see christian democrats for example)

the church had to give permission for the pope to come though because he would not have come other way...
in free non - religious terms he can come whenever he wants though (as all citizens with clear records )



edit: about the skirt the sma eexact thought came to my mind

	25-05-2002 22:35									#147
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the state and the church "at knives" as we say now

they conflict for some matters as I.D.s (the inscription or not of religion - church lost)

the church's ideas about the euroarmy, the state says mind your own business etc.

BTW the socialists (=the government) were stupid, you don;t shun the church, you try to have good relations with it.
but OTOH the left wing is very powerful too so it evens out somewhat

	25-05-2002 22:38									#148
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 and for the necessairy troll: US wants to fight "terrorism" blame your own inadequicy for getting your people killed stop bothering the rest of the world who can't care less

We're getting the job done in Afghanistan. Those terrorists will get their chance to dance with 70 virgins...

	25-05-2002 22:40									#149
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 And then you want to engage in "serious" talk GP...

You're a Greek. You should understand. I like it "both ways".

quote: See there is a fundamental problem with a lot of people. They deem "wise" and "intelligent" what comforms with their own system of beliefs or simply with their ideas. They discard as worthless whatever does not comform. Great for an ego boost but not exactly the ideal platform for seriousness especially in an internet forum

This was too hard to understand. Either because it made no sense or because I am too slow...

	25-05-2002 22:40									#150
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who cares, you'll crumble in a few decades anyway.