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Bereta_Eder
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Both Orthodox and Catholics are Christians.
Christianity developed its slightly different bread in rome and byzantium way before the schism.
there are a lot of differences in both churches both dogmatic and social. insignificant if you compare them to other cultures but they are there.
orthodox dont feel "detached" from a mother rome since this is not the case. greece/byzantium always was autophotus (had an inner -its own- light) actually orthodox deem catholics as not so real christians (that they have slipped and comformed with the norms of society too much and drifted apart from the teaechings of christ).
also the patriarchies are autonomous something that the pope doesnt like.
nor does he like the idnependece of protestants.
he remains stuck in the past whereas he should look at the future and not create friction for his own megalomenia 
Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 26-05-2002 at 05:29
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Bereta_Eder
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a more elaborate answer to this:
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Originally posted by Ned
As for my opinion, the Western empire should have helped the Eastern empire without the "condition" because just as you said, the West's help would have been been repaid in gratitude. |
But it would not have united them under the pope. and that's the only thing the pope cared for. read below
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It would also have helped roll back the common enemy, the Turks. |
it was not a common enemy. as i said the pope deemed as faithful only the catholics.
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Constantiople's fall unleashed hundreds of years of terror in Europe. |
Yes because the fortress/guardian of europe had fallen...
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It's reprocussions are still being felt in turmoil in the Balkans which is obviously based on the hatred between Christians and Muslims stemming from that era. |
there is not hate between christians and muslims so much... at least that's what i 'm feeling around me.
oh if you're talking about serbia and all that no
it is an old idea, it is called megali idea (=grand idea) every balkan country has/had it
everyone.
from croatia in 1941
1941 - Nazi Germany invades. A 'Greater Croatia' is formed, also comprising most of Bosnia and western Serbia. A fascist puppet government is installed under Ante Pavelic. The regime acts brutally against Serbs and Jews as it seeks to create a Catholic, all-Croat republic. Hundreds of thousands lose their lives.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wo...000/1097156.stm
to greece in 1921
to serbia in 1992
to albania in late '90s
to fyrom in middle 90's
everyone had it
the BIG country. expand the borders to cover all minorities or to simple get what yopu think its yours.
very old.
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Bereta_Eder
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two successive empires would do that to you.
they disperse populations wildly and when you want to create a nation state....
also the games big powers played in the balkans only made things worse.
there were some ideas about a confedeeracy of the balkan peoples by some scholars and politicians from romania to greece but it did not bare fruit.
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Bereta_Eder
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if you stopped interfering with them they'd stop attacking you
religion is just a pretext, always has been, in the balkans too.
religion is not the problem.
but this is a huge problem. and we are living the 3rd phase of the war as thycidides would say
1, the war of words
2nd the war of armies
and 3rd phase the war against the peoples themselves, what he described as the phase of insanity.
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It was that "if you stopped interfering" remark, wasn't it?
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by paiktis22
Both Orthodox and Catholics are Christians.
actually orthodox deem catholics as not so real christians (that they have slipped and comformed with the norms of society too much and drifted apart from the teaechings of christ).
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Many Protestant fundamentalists feel that way too. You don't want to be compared to them do you? I know quite a few fundies who, with their rqncor qnd their flared nostrils I'd swear ought to be though of as drifted from the teachings of Christ.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by Ned
Patkis, I think it high time the great religions got together and talked. The Pope has reached out not only to the Orthodox churches, but also to the Jewish and Moslem religions. We all workship the same, monotheistic god. We all agree that Jesus was at least a prophet. That is a start.
Issue of who is first among equals can take a back burner, IMHO.
I also believe that dialogue between Islam and Christianity could be a long term solution to the current difficulties. The hostility that currently exists could vanish overnight. Christians would no longer be the Infidel Crusaders, but brothers in the worship of Allah.
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Ahh, but your opinion isn't the same as the officials in the Vatican, to whom the question of who is first is very much a concern. I remember one Christmas eve, while grappling with those three words most feared by parents, "Some Assembly Required", I listened to the midnight mass at the Vatican and John Paul's appeal for unity. It sounded very good, but the next day he repeated the same old line that non-Catholics were to be concidered as being fundamentally "in error" for rejecting the Roman Catholic Church. I'm sorry that it's that way, but there is nothing I can do about it.
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25-05-2002 22:42
later.
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