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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:19
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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
No, and your PS2 comparison doesn't add up
Windows sucks. Windows is overpriced. But you still HAVE to buy it since there is no real alternative (don't get me started on linux please). |
PS2 sucks. PS2 is overpriced. But you still HAVE to buy it since there is no real alternative (don't get me started on Xbox please -- it doesn't have FFX and GTA3 and GT3). At least that's what you said in the console thread, you wouldn't get the other consoles because they don't have some games you want.
This is exactly the same thing.
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You may think the PS2 is crap and overpriced. But even if it was so, you don't have to buy it. |
Same with Windows.
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There is good competition out there, which isn't the case with windows. |
What's wrong with Mac OS X?
Linux?
BSD?
There are plenty of alternatives, but you don't consider them viable because you can't get the same software selection as Windows, right?
Isn't that your entire argument on why PS2 is better, buddy? 
PS2 isn't Sony. Toshiba makes the Emotion Engine, Rambus makes the RAM. The only part of the PS2 that Sony made is the Graphics Synthesizer chip, which is argually one of the worst pieces of hardware ever conceived for 3D gaming.
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JohnIII
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Asher, you have to buy Windows and Office to be able to interface with most business networks. There are no business reasons, outside the 'industry', for buying a PS2.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:19
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Sony is Evil.
The Sony Corporation is evil for what they're doing to our movies. It used to be that theaters were independent -- when a crappy movie came out, they just wouldn't show it. Extra incentive for production companies to produce better movies. Furthermore, different theaters could show different types of movies -- some would play to a more intellectual audience, others to families, etc.
Not anymore. Now that Sony owns movie studios, movie theaters, and advertising venues, they can produce movies, tell the public about them, and show them all over the country. The perfect definition of a vertical monopoly.
Sony owns Columbia Pictures, Tri-Star Pictures, parts of Jim Henson Productions, Phoenix Pictures, Columbia-Tri Star Home Video (so they can sell them to you after they leave the theaters), Sonly Theaters, Loews Theaters, IMAX, Magic Johnson Theaters, and Metreon Theaters. And that's why movie tickets are all the same price no matter where you go.
Sony is also partly responsible for the increasing levels of standardization of popular music. They own Sony Music, Tri-Star Music, Columbia Records, Epic Records, Harmony Records, Dance Pool, Relatively Entertainment, Arc of Light, Sony Broadway, SEON, Vivarte, and half of Columbia House. All this exists to take away your choices and funnel your money into their pockets.
And as a member of the RIAA, they use anticompetitive practices to limit the music available to you.
And they spy on activists who are concerned with their environmental policy.
And to make sure you go see their movies even they're crappy, they invent imaginary critics to review their movies. |
And also:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22910.html
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Sony's case against Bleem followed a parallel action targeting Connectix, which launched a PlayStation emulator of its own earlier in the year, for the Macintosh. Unlike the Connectix case, however, Bleem won the support of the court, beating a temporary injunction against sales of its emulator and later defeating Sony's demand to ban the sale of the emulator permanently.
Sony's failures in court went to its head, Bleem later alleged in a countersuit of its own. The emulation company claimed that the Japanese giant's US operation had initiated a dirty tricks policy which, in part, involved attempting to have Bleem thrown out of the May 1999 E3 show, one of the world's largest games industry shindigs. |
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:19
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StarOffice/OpenOffice is compatible with Office file formats. |
Star Office is beta, is it not?
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You also need a PS2 to interface with "most games" still. |
no you don't. most (top) ps2 games will also appear on other consoles, or on the PC.
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And that's not the thing that makes them inherently evil, either. That just means they have a monopoly (which in and of itself does not make someone illegal, only if they abuse it). And I think both MS *and* Sony need to work on this. |
There in lies the problem. MS has a monopoly and abuses it (hence the anti-trust cases). Sony doesn't have a monopoly to abuse, so it's actions are therefor do less harm (it's easier to ruin and control a market if you have a monopoly like MS, and unlike Sony).
Ned: I don't recal either Sony or MS invading Vietnam or Afghanistan.  And since they haven't, as of yet, commited any crimes against humanity they can't be put on trial before the ICC. They can, and are, however on trial in various courts worldwide.
And Arafat is more likely to one day appear before a judge, instead of become one himself. 
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Frankychan
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In the Kingdom of Hawaii (CPA Member)
Sep 2001
time: 19:19
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I voted for Microsoft, why?
Because with Sony, at least you get quality. Microsoft's Windows OS is so full of bugs, you have to keep on upgrading to their newest version (where you have to buy it or suffer). People have to keep on buying the latest "version" of Windows to get rid of their bugs but the "newest" version has a whole set of new bugs.
Sheer salary. The CEO of Sony doesn't make as much as Bill Gates. Bill, the richest man on the planet, makes more money than the GNP of most countries! Any person who can build their own on-ramp/off-ramp to and from their house to the highway is making entirely TOO much money.
I propose we put a cap Bill Gates salary. With all that left over money, we could spread it to everyone else. Or better yet, we should spread Microsoft's wealth to everyone else. Help out with health care, the national debt, our messed up educational system, and help clean up the environment.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:19
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Originally posted by frankychan
Because with Sony, at least you get quality. Microsoft's Windows OS is so full of bugs, you have to keep on upgrading to their newest version (where you have to buy it or suffer). People have to keep on buying the latest "version" of Windows to get rid of their bugs but the "newest" version has a whole set of new bugs. |
This has absolutely nothing to do with evilness, but whether you like their products or not. That said, Sony is in a completely different market than Windows for OS. It's hard to have "buggy" movies and music for the most part (I would argue most of the stuff they put out is complete and utter crap, however )
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Sheer salary. The CEO of Sony doesn't make as much as Bill Gates. Bill, the richest man on the planet, makes more money than the GNP of most countries! Any person who can build their own on-ramp/off-ramp to and from their house to the highway is making entirely TOO much money. |
Bzzt. Gates actually has a relatively small salary as CEO. He gets the vast majority of his money from stocks, and since he owns so much of MS, and MS stock tends to go up consistently over time, that made him a very, very rich man. Not salary.
Then again, I'd like you to explain how accumulated wealth relates to how evil a company is.
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I propose we put a cap Bill Gates salary. With all that left over money, we could spread it to everyone else. Or better yet, we should spread Microsoft's wealth to everyone else. Help out with health care, the national debt, our messed up educational system, and help clean up the environment. |
Bill Gates has less of a salary than most CEOs, because he makes phenomenal money just from the increasing value of his stock and investments. NOT SALARY.
This is extremely common in the tech sector. Steve Jobs, for example, got a $1 (yes, one dollar) salary over the past couple years but has made millions and millions in stock.
I propose people figure out how to differenciate between evil and "I don't like their products" or "they make too much money". They are not the same. This isn't a "which company do you dislike the most", it's a "Which company is most evil". And if you look at how Sony dominates their market, and is encouraged by their government to ruthlessly go after American businesses, you'd probably agree that Sony is far more evil.
Sony is the biggest member of both RIAA and MPAA, for christ sake!
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gopher
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I eat my own poop
Dec 1999
time: 00:19
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Easy: Chiquita Bannana. As was stated here, Chiquita was once called United Fruit. This is the company that was behind virtually every coup in the Central American region from Guatemala in '54 (I believe) to the Contras. Also having death squads, its own army and prision systems, and such. Evil.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:19
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Here I was completely forgetting that Sony was NOT Greedy. They're making billions for the sake of humanity!
Saint Marcus: I realize most people may vote for the more superficial things. After all, Microsoft is more successful than Sony so it's easy to label MS to be more evil since they have more money. It's also easy to blame Microsoft because all of the companies it assimilates go under the Microsoft banner, so it's aparent, whereas Sony's purchases are all cleverly disguised and obfuscated so not many people know just how far-reaching Sony is, especially in the entertainment and electronics fields. Do you know how much money Sony made from its Trinitron patents from all the other companies? Certainly that's "evil" now? How about being the biggest member of RIAA and MPAA? Is that not incredibly evil, seeing as how both of those organizations are out to crush rights of people who buy the music/movies?
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Doubtful. MS is an American company, but is facing an anti-trust case in Europe. Sony, as far as I know, isn't facing such a case here, nor in America. |
The last time I checked there actually hasn't been a trial or anything. Has there been an anti-trust trial in EU?
There's a case whenever someone complains, so I could just as well go complain that Johnson & Johnson are executing people who don't buy their products and there'd be a case for it.
And IIRC, there were quite a few cases between European countries and Sony regarding the PS1 and PS2. Seemed Sony was trying to slip in illegal materials into some countries and wasn't being too nice to retailers.
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