24-05-2002 21:29									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin OK I must be in this. The world cup makes me feel like a little kid right before chrismas again and this time chrismas is lasting for a month!!!

I know. I still feel the nostalgy of the World Cup 1986 each time a World Cup closes in. And I still generally those teams I liked back then, when I was first time watching the World Cup.
Anyone remember France-Brazil, quarterfinals 1986? What a great game!

	24-05-2002 21:41									#32
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quote: Serb: Very interesting how Belgium could be a group winner, if you gave to Belgium less points then you gave to Russia?

More change to get some points

	24-05-2002 22:16									#33
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The world champion: Argentina
The 8 group winners in the first round
A - France
B - Spain
C - Brazil
D - Portugal
E - Germany
F - Argentina
G - Italy
H - Belgium


The top scorer: Raul - (Spain)

A 31-05 13:30 France - Senegal (Seoul) 5-0
A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay - Denmark (Ulsan) 1-2
B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay - South Africa (Busan) 2-1
B 02-06 13:30 Spain - Slovenia (Gwangju) 3-1
C 03-06 11:00 Brazil - Turkey (Ulsan) 3-1
C 04-06 08:30 China PR - Costa Rica (Gwangju) 3-3
D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic - Poland (Busan) 2-2
D 05-06 11:00 USA - Portugal (Suwon) 0-5
E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland - Cameroon (Niigata) 1-1
E 01-06 13:30 Germany - Saudi Arabia (Sapporo) 2-0
F 02-06 11:30 England - Sweden (Saitama) 1-1
F 02-06 14:30 Argentina - Nigeria (Ibaraki) 2-0
G 03-06 08:30 Croatia - Mexico (Niigata) 2-1
G 03-06 13:30 Italy - Ecuador (Sapporo) 3-0
H 04-06 11:00 Japan - Belgium (Saitama) 1-1
H 05-06 08:30 Russia - Tunisia (Kobe) 2-1

A 06-06 13:30 France - Uruguay (Busan) 3-0
A 06-06 08:30 Denmark - Senegal (Daegu) 2-0
B 07-06 11:00 Spain - Paraguay (Jeonju) 5-0
B 08-06 08:30 South Africa - Slovenia (Daegu) 2-2
C 08-06 13:30 Brazil - China PR (Seogwipo) 6-0
C 09-06 11:00 Costa Rica - Turkey (Incheon) 1-2
D 10-06 08:30 Korea Republic - USA (Daegu) 2-0
D 10-06 13:30 Portugal - Poland (Jeonju) 3-1
E 05-06 13:30 Germany - Republic of Ireland (Ibaraki) 1-1
E 06-06 11:00 Cameroon - Saudi Arabia (Saitama) 3-2
F 07-06 08:30 Sweden - Nigeria (Kobe) 1-0
F 07-06 13:30 Argentina - England (Sapporo) 2-1
G 08-06 11:00 Italy - Croatia (Ibaraki) 1-0
G 09-06 08:30 Mexico - Ecuador (Miyagi) 1-1
H 09-06 13:30 Japan - Russia (Yokohama) 2-2
H 10-06 11:00 Tunisia - Belgium (Oita) 0-2

A 11-06 08:30 Denmark - France (Incheon) 1-2
A 11-06 08:30 Senegal - Uruguay (Suwon) 0-2
B 12-06 13:30 South Africa - Spain (Daejeon) 0-4
B 12-06 13:30 Slovenia - Paraguay (Seogwipo) 1-3
C 13-06 08:30 Costa Rica - Brazil (Suwon) 0-3
C 13-06 08:30 Turkey - China PR (Seoul) 2-0
D 14-06 13:30 Portugal - Korea Republic (Incheon) 3-1
D 14-06 13:30 Poland - USA (Daejeon) 2-0
E 11-06 13:30 Cameroon - Germany (Shizuoka) [/b]1-1[/b]
E 11-06 13:30 Saudi Arabia - Republic of Ireland (Yokohama) 0-2
F 12-06 08:30 Sweden - Argentina (Miyagi) 0-1
F 12-06 08:30 Nigeria - England (Osaka) 1-2
G 13-06 13:30 Mexico - Italy (Oita) 1-2
G 13-06 13:30 Ecuador - Croatia (Yokohama) 0-1
H 14-06 08:30 Tunisia - Japan (Osaka) 0-1
H 14-06 08:30 Belgium - Russia (Shizuoka) 1-1

Rogan I think you are getting a bit ahead of yourself.

	24-05-2002 22:49									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Anyone remember France-Brazil, quarterfinals 1986? What a great game!

I thought it was France-Brazil in 1982 Brazil won by penalty kicks. The French defender missed at the end.

	24-05-2002 22:54									#35
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World Champion: France
Top scorer: Henry

Group winners:
A France
B Spain
C Brazil
D Portugal
E Germany
F Argentina
G Italy
H Japan

A 31-05 13:30 France - Senegal (Seoul) 3-0
A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay - Denmark (Ulsan) 1-0
B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay - South Africa (Busan) 1-0
B 02-06 13:30 Spain - Slovenia (Gwangju) 1-1
C 03-06 11:00 Brazil - Turkey (Ulsan) 1-1
C 04-06 08:30 China PR - Costa Rica (Gwangju) 0-1
D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic - Poland (Busan) 1-1
D 05-06 11:00 USA - Portugal (Suwon) 1-0 [Shocker!]
E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland - Cameroon (Niigata) 0-2
E 01-06 13:30 Germany - Saudi Arabia (Sapporo) 3-0
F 02-06 11:30 England - Sweden (Saitama) 1-1
F 02-06 14:30 Argentina - Nigeria (Ibaraki) 2-2
G 03-06 08:30 Croatia - Mexico (Niigata) 2-1
G 03-06 13:30 Italy - Ecuador (Sapporo) 1-0
H 04-06 11:00 Japan - Belgium (Saitama) 1-0
H 05-06 08:30 Russia - Tunisia (Kobe) 1-0

	24-05-2002 22:57									#36
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Brazil drew 1-1 with France in the Q/finals 1986. France then won the penalty shoot-out 4-3.

France never played Brazil in 1982, and there were no Q/finals either.

	24-05-2002 23:03									#37
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WC Champs: Argentina
Top Scorer: Ronaldo (who will show he is back from his injury)

Group Winners:
A France
B Spain
C Brazil
D Portugal
E Cameroon
F Argentina
G Italy
H Russia

A 31-05 13:30 France - Senegal (Seoul) 2-1
A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay - Denmark (Ulsan) 1-1
B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay - South Africa (Busan) 2-0
B 02-06 13:30 Spain - Slovenia (Gwangju) 1-0
C 03-06 11:00 Brazil - Turkey (Ulsan) 3-2
C 04-06 08:30 China PR - Costa Rica (Gwangju) 0-2
D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic - Poland (Busan) 1-2
D 05-06 11:00 USA - Portugal (Suwon) 2-2
E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland - Cameroon (Niigata) 1-3
E 01-06 13:30 Germany - Saudi Arabia (Sapporo) 2-0
F 02-06 11:30 England - Sweden (Saitama) 1-1
F 02-06 14:30 Argentina - Nigeria (Ibaraki) 3-2
G 03-06 08:30 Croatia - Mexico (Niigata) 3-3
G 03-06 13:30 Italy - Ecuador (Sapporo) 1-0
H 04-06 11:00 Japan - Belgium (Saitama) 1-0
H 05-06 08:30 Russia - Tunisia (Kobe) 2-0

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Ok what game did the the french lose in penalty shots where the defender missed (last name started with an A). I distinctly remember him sinking to his knees with that distraught look.

I may be mixing an 82 Italy-Brazil game. The brazil team had Socrates, Junior (I think), Zico. They were brilliant but were beaten by an underdog. I was thinking it was France but now I'm thinking it was Italy.

	24-05-2002 23:27									#39
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Ok what game did the the french lose in penalty shots where the defender missed (last name started with an A). I distinctly remember him sinking to his knees with that distraught look.

Germany-France. Was it the game where Battiston broke some vertebrae when Schumacher just went flying for the man instead of the ball. It was the worst foul I have EVER seen, yet he didn't even get a caution.

Manual Amoros is the guy you are thinking of.

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Yes, it was Germany-France. My all-time favorite game is from that WC, Italy-Brazil. Brazil had an extraordinary team (imho the best one of the post-Pele era, by far) but that particular day Paolo Rossi had been touched by God.

	25-05-2002 00:54									#41
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WC Champs: Italy
Top Scorer: Trezeguet (he can mop them up in the group games)

Group Winners:
A France
B Paraguay
C Turkey
D Portugal
E Ireland
F England
G Italy
H Russia

(UEFA!)

A 31-05 13:30 France - Senegal (Seoul) 1-1
A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay - Denmark (Ulsan) 3-1
B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay - South Africa (Busan) 2-0
B 02-06 13:30 Spain - Slovenia (Gwangju) 1-2
C 03-06 11:00 Brazil - Turkey (Ulsan) 2-3
C 04-06 08:30 China PR - Costa Rica (Gwangju) 2-2
D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic - Poland (Busan) 0-3
D 05-06 11:00 USA - Portugal (Suwon) 1-4
E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland - Cameroon (Niigata) 1-0
E 01-06 13:30 Germany - Saudi Arabia (Sapporo) 1-1
F 02-06 11:30 England - Sweden (Saitama) 2-1
F 02-06 14:30 Argentina - Nigeria (Ibaraki) 2-0
G 03-06 08:30 Croatia - Mexico (Niigata) 0-0
G 03-06 13:30 Italy - Ecuador (Sapporo) 2-1
H 04-06 11:00 Japan - Belgium (Saitama) 0-2
H 05-06 08:30 Russia - Tunisia (Kobe) 3-0

	25-05-2002 01:19									#42
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World Champ: Argentina
Top Scorer: Vieri

Group winners:
A France
B Spain
C Brazil
D Portugal
E Germany
F Argentina
G Italy
H Japan




A 31-05 13:30 France - Senegal (Seoul) 2-0
A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay - Denmark (Ulsan) 2-0
B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay - South Africa (Busan) 1-0
B 02-06 13:30 Spain - Slovenia (Gwangju) 2-1
C 03-06 11:00 Brazil - Turkey (Ulsan) 3-1
C 04-06 08:30 China PR - Costa Rica (Gwangju) 0-0
D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic - Poland (Busan) 0-2
D 05-06 11:00 USA - Portugal (Suwon) 0-2
E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland - Cameroon (Niigata) 0-3
E 01-06 13:30 Germany - Saudi Arabia (Sapporo) 3-0
F 02-06 11:30 England - Sweden (Saitama) 2-0
F 02-06 14:30 Argentina - Nigeria (Ibaraki) 3-1
G 03-06 08:30 Croatia - Mexico (Niigata) 3-1
G 03-06 13:30 Italy - Ecuador (Sapporo) 2-1
H 04-06 11:00 Japan - Belgium (Saitama) 1-1
H 05-06 08:30 Russia - Tunisia (Kobe) 2-0

	25-05-2002 01:20									#43
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WC Champs: Brazil.

Group winners:
A: France.
B: Spain.
C: Brazil.
D: Portugal.
E: Germany.
F: Argentina.
G: Mexico.
H: Rusia.

Edited because I forget writing this:

A 31-05 13:30 France - Senegal (Seoul) 4-0
A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay - Denmark (Ulsan) 2-1
B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay - South Africa (Busan) 2-0
B 02-06 13:30 Spain - Slovenia (Gwangju) 2-0
C 03-06 11:00 Brazil - Turkey (Ulsan) 3-0
C 04-06 08:30 China PR - Costa Rica (Gwangju) 0-2
D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic - Poland (Busan) 0-2
D 05-06 11:00 USA - Portugal (Suwon) 0-2
E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland - Cameroon (Niigata) 1-2
E 01-06 13:30 Germany - Saudi Arabia (Sapporo) 3-1
F 02-06 11:30 England - Sweden (Saitama) 1-1
F 02-06 14:30 Argentina - Nigeria (Ibaraki) 3-0
G 03-06 08:30 Croatia - Mexico (Niigata) 0-2
G 03-06 13:30 Italy - Ecuador (Sapporo) 1-0
H 04-06 11:00 Japan - Belgium (Saitama) 1-1
H 05-06 08:30 Russia - Tunisia (Kobe) 2-0

Last edited by yaroslav on 25-05-2002 at 01:25

	25-05-2002 01:37									#44
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France 3-0 Senegal
Uruguay 0-0 Denmark
Paraguay 2-1 South Africa
Spain 2-0 Slovenia
Brazil 2-0 Turkey
China PR 1-1 Costa Rica
Korea Republic 1-0 Poland
USA 0-3 Portugal
Republic of Ireland 1-1 Cameroon
Germany 3-0 Saudi Arabia
England 1-0 Sweden
Argentina 2-0 Nigeria
Croatia 2-1 Mexico
Italy 3-1 Ecuador
Japan 2-1 Belgium
Russia 1-1 Tunisia

Group A -- France
Group B -- Spain
Group C -- Brazil
Group D -- Portugal
Group E -- Germany
Group F -- England
Group G -- Italy
Group H -- Japan

World Cup Winner -- Italy

Top Scorer -- David Trezuget (France)

Good luck all (especially England ).

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Edit: Changed Crespo to Trezuget for top scorer

	25-05-2002 01:43									#45
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I was the first to nominate Trezeguet!!!! I should get bonus points for that!

	25-05-2002 01:44									#46
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Your post had no influence on my desicion .

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JB, thanks for the tip! I'd never heard of him before, but apparently he is quite a good player and will get chances, so I put him in my team.

	25-05-2002 01:53									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Germany-France. Was it the game where Battiston broke some vertebrae when Schumacher just went flying for the man instead of the ball. It was the worst foul I have EVER seen, yet he didn't even get a caution. Manual Amoros is the guy you are thinking of.

Yes I remember the foul. The english bundesleaguer commentator (I dont remember his name but he was great) had a fit. He was also the only one I heard who called the Germany-Austria game for what it was, a disgrace.

	25-05-2002 01:54									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee Yes, it was Germany-France. My all-time favorite game is from that WC, Italy-Brazil. Brazil had an extraordinary team (imho the best one of the post-Pele era, by far) but that particular day Paolo Rossi had been touched by God.

Yes it was a wonderful game.

	25-05-2002 02:09									#50
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII JB, thanks for the tip! I'd never heard of him before, but apparently he is quite a good player and will get chances, so I put him in my team.

Never heard of the Seria A top scorer? He scored the golden goal in the Euro 2000 final! Oh well, I guess not everyone has my encyclopedia-like knowlege .

	25-05-2002 02:13									#51
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I only know the 'superstar' player I'm afraid , like Beckham, Zidane, and Pavlin.

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quote: Originally posted by Giovanni Wine Here are mine (if I can play): World Champion: can I wait a little bit? Top scorer: Crespo Group winners: A France B Spain C Brazil D Portugal E Germany F Argentina G Italy H Russia A 31-05 13:30 France - Senegal (Seoul) 2-0 A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay - Denmark (Ulsan) 0-0 B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay - South Africa (Busan) 0-1 B 02-06 13:30 Spain - Slovenia (Gwangju) 2-0 C 03-06 11:00 Brazil - Turkey (Ulsan) 3-0 C 04-06 08:30 China PR - Costa Rica (Gwangju) 1-1 D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic - Poland (Busan) 1-2 D 05-06 11:00 USA - Portugal (Suwon) 0-3 E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland - Cameroon (Niigata) 1-2 E 01-06 13:30 Germany - Saudi Arabia (Sapporo) 1-0 F 02-06 11:30 England - Sweden (Saitama) 1-0 F 02-06 14:30 Argentina - Nigeria (Ibaraki) 2-0 G 03-06 08:30 Croatia - Mexico (Niigata) 1-1 G 03-06 13:30 Italy - Ecuador (Sapporo) 2-0 H 04-06 11:00 Japan - Belgium (Saitama) 0-1 H 05-06 08:30 Russia - Tunisia (Kobe) 2-0 Saluti

Ok!
I decide who will be the world cup winner: China

(yes... I know they don't have a chance... but.... )

Saluti

	25-05-2002 03:23									#53
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My soccer knowledge is also encyclopedic but... may I ask who's Pavlin?

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World Champion: Spain
Top scorer: Raul
Group winners:
A France
B Spain
C Brazil
D Poland
E Germany
F England
G Croatia
H Russia

A 31-05 13:30 France - Senegal (Seoul) 2-0
A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay - Denmark (Ulsan) 0-0
B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay - South Africa (Busan) 2-1
B 02-06 13:30 Spain - Slovenia (Gwangju) 2-0
C 03-06 11:00 Brazil - Turkey (Ulsan) 2-0
C 04-06 08:30 China PR - Costa Rica (Gwangju) 0-1
D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic - Poland (Busan) 1-3
D 05-06 11:00 USA - Portugal (Suwon) 1-1
E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland - Cameroon (Niigata) 2-3
E 01-06 13:30 Germany - Saudi Arabia (Sapporo) 2-0
F 02-06 11:30 England - Sweden (Saitama) 1-0
F 02-06 14:30 Argentina - Nigeria (Ibaraki) 2-2
G 03-06 08:30 Croatia - Mexico (Niigata) 1-0
G 03-06 13:30 Italy - Ecuador (Sapporo) 1-0
H 04-06 11:00 Japan - Belgium (Saitama) 1-3
H 05-06 08:30 Russia - Tunisia (Kobe) 2-0

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The world champion: Italy
The 8 group winners in the first round
A - France
B - Spain
C - Brazil
D - Portugal
E - Germany
F - Argentina
G - Italy
H - Japan


The top scorer: C. Vieri - Italy

A 31-05 13:30 France - Senegal (Seoul) 3-0
A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay - Denmark (Ulsan) 1-1
B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay - South Africa (Busan) 3-1
B 02-06 13:30 Spain - Slovenia (Gwangju) 3-0
C 03-06 11:00 Brazil - Turkey (Ulsan) 2-0
C 04-06 08:30 China PR - Costa Rica (Gwangju) 1-2
D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic - Poland (Busan) 2-2
D 05-06 11:00 USA - Portugal (Suwon) 0-2
E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland - Cameroon (Niigata) 1-2
E 01-06 13:30 Germany - Saudi Arabia (Sapporo) 4-0
F 02-06 11:30 England - Sweden (Saitama) 1-2
F 02-06 14:30 Argentina - Nigeria (Ibaraki) 3-1
G 03-06 08:30 Croatia - Mexico (Niigata) 0-1
G 03-06 13:30 Italy - Ecuador (Sapporo) 2-0
H 04-06 11:00 Japan - Belgium (Saitama) 0-0
H 05-06 08:30 Russia - Tunisia (Kobe) 1-0

Last edited by Juggernaut on 25-05-2002 at 09:11

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The world champion: Italy
The 8 group winners in the first round
France, Spain, Brazil, Portugal, Cameroon, Argentina, Italy, Belgium


The top scorer: Christian Vieri (Italy)


A 31-05 13:30 France 2-1 Senegal (Seoul)
A 01-06 11:00 Uruguay 1-1 Denmark (Ulsan)
B 02-06 09:30 Paraguay 1-2 South Africa (Busan)
B 02-06 13:30 Spain 2-0 Slovenia (Gwangju)
C 03-06 11:00 Brazil 3-1 Turkey (Ulsan)
C 04-06 08:30 China PR 2-2 Costa Rica (Gwangju)
D 04-06 13:30 Korea Republic 0-2 Poland (Busan)
D 05-06 11:00 USA 1-3 Portugal (Suwon)
E 01-06 08:30 Republic of Ireland 0-2 Cameroon (Niigata)
E 01-06 13:30 Germany 2-2 Saudi Arabia (Sapporo)
F 02-06 11:30 England 1-2 Sweden (Saitama)
F 02-06 14:30 Argentina 3-2 Nigeria (Ibaraki)
G 03-06 08:30 Croatia 1-1 Mexico (Niigata)
G 03-06 13:30 Italy 3-0 Ecuador (Sapporo)
H 04-06 11:00 Japan 1-2 Belgium (Saitama)
H 05-06 08:30 Russia 1-2 Tunisia (Kobe)

More later.

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quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee My soccer knowledge is also encyclopedic but... may I ask who's Pavlin?

He's a slovenian midfielder who IMHO was their best player in Euro 2000 and made that Zahovic character look like the star with his passes.

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Kropotkin is the winner! Acimovic, Zahovic, and Pavlin are all very effective players for Slovenia.

	25-05-2002 20:13									#60
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Based on the prediction thus far for the France - Senegal game these are the odds on the results.

France to win:
1-0 : 25/1
2-0 : 4/1
3-0 : 3/2 F
4-0 : 12/1
5-0 : 25/1
Other: 4/1

Draw:
1-1 : 25/1
2-2 : 25/1
Other : 999/1

Senegal to win
Any score: 999/1

As a group we think 3-0 to France is the most likely result...