29-05-2002 11:25									#61
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Or how about you leave it up to the parents?

Who are you to decide how mature an arbitrary kid is?

	29-05-2002 11:26									#62
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Geez -- it's not up to me to decide when each individual teenager has matured.

	29-05-2002 11:33									#63
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quote: Or how about you leave it up to the parents?

Nice theory Asher but the topic and reality dictates that the parents have no say.

MrFun me either? Or? Seriously is age the difinitive factor? If so in today's reality is it a true messure?

	29-05-2002 11:34									#64
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Nice theory Asher but the topic and reality dictates that the parents have no say.

How does reality dictate that the parents have no say in what their kids do, while law does?

Why do you think the law is going to have more effect than the parents?

What kind of reality do you live in, and why is it different than the rest of the world?

	29-05-2002 11:36									#65
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Now that was dumb.........

	29-05-2002 11:36									#66
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I agree, why do you keep doing that?

	29-05-2002 11:37									#67
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Nice theory Asher but the topic and reality dictates that the parents have no say. MrFun me either? Or? Seriously is age the difinitive factor? If so in today's reality is it a true messure?

If sexual relations between a 15 year old boy and a 40 year old man is morally right, then that is your opinion.

However, I simply disagree --- how can a teeanger relate with a significantly older adult in an intimate/romantic relationship??

	29-05-2002 11:42									#68
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quote: If sexual relations between a 15 year old boy and a 40 year old man is morally right, then that is your opinion. However, I simply disagree --- how can a teeanger relate with a significantly older adult in an intimate/romantic relationship??

First, where did you get that? I have never said that?

Ok back to the conversation...The point is age of consent. Is age the way to meassure maturity? My opinion no. It may be a starting guideline but certainly does not cover all humans.

	29-05-2002 11:45									#69
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Of course age isn't the way to measure maturity, there is in fact NO way to measure maturity.

It all has to be based on the judgement of someone who knows the person extremely well. Most likely this is the parent.

Unfortunately REALITY DICTATES (you love that phrase) that kids will f*ck around with eachother when and if they want, regardless of parents wishes or laws.

The whole point is moot.

	29-05-2002 11:46									#70
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If age is suppose to absolutely be excluded for ANY possible partial measurement of maturity in a person, then why have any age of consent laws??

	29-05-2002 11:47									#71
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Because it makes the parents feel like they're actually doing something by passing laws forbidding their kids to have sex.

It's all pretty funny actually.

	29-05-2002 11:51									#72
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Yeah -- how dare parents have the outrageous idea that they usually know better than their children, when it comes to their children's best interest.

	29-05-2002 11:53									#73
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Age of consent should be related to an individuals desire and belief in them selves. Why not have a license for sex? Go through a series of exams to learn about the complications and possibilities then go for it - just show someone your license first. Maybe even tie it in with yor drivers license...

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	29-05-2002 11:55									#74
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Yeah -- how dare parents have the outrageous idea that they usually know better than their children, when it comes to their children's best interest.

They do know, but it's irrelevant because the kid probably doesn't care.

Age of consent laws are only useful when prosecuting 40 year olds sleeping with 14 year olds, and the like.

	29-05-2002 11:55									#75
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Age of consent laws only work when they're set at the "normal" spot. There's always going to be exceptions...I know some 30-year-olds that wouldn't be allowed to legally drink if I had my way, and 15-year-olds that should. But they're no basis for an argument.

	29-05-2002 12:02									#76
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I do think age of consent is ridiculous as far as preventing two people of the same age group from having sex, though. It's not even a factor...I never even realized it was illegal until it was too late.

	29-05-2002 12:09									#77
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quote: Age of consent laws are only useful when prosecuting 40 year olds sleeping with 14 year olds, and the like.

Let's take your example Asher...I know 14 year old more mature than you.

Not the point though, if that 14 year-old is mature beyond their years and is in love understands and can prove that in court. Should the 40 year-old immature person still be charged?

	29-05-2002 12:12									#78
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Let's take your example Asher...I know 14 year old more mature than you.

Oh give it a rest, man, I'm only having fun with you because it's so obvious you use one hand to type.

quote: Not the point though, if that 14 year-old is mature beyond their years and is in love understands and can prove that in court. Should the 40 year-old immature person still be charged?

If it's true love they can wait, since that is an extremely unlikely scenerio to begin with.

	29-05-2002 12:14									#79
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Blackice and Asher -- I'm just wondering -- could you two just troll each other over private messages??

	29-05-2002 12:16									#80
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Despite your name, you're no fun.

	29-05-2002 12:16									#81
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Stop trolling all together would be good. Asher it does happen and people are charged based on age.

	29-05-2002 12:18									#82
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Stop trolling all together would be good. Asher it does happen and people are charged based on age.

If those people are truly in love they can wait a couple years to have sex, because in most cases the 40 year old would be taking advantage of the 14 year old.

Would you disagree with that?

	29-05-2002 12:23									#83
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Not the point though, if that 14 year-old is mature beyond their years and is in love understands and can prove that in court.

What the hell has love got to do with it? Let's not get love and sex mixed up....

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	29-05-2002 12:29									#84
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quote: If those people are truly in love they can wait a couple years to have sex,

Why?

quote: in most cases the 40 year old would be taking advantage of the 14 year old.

Stereotyping a bit?

quote: What the hell has love got to do with it? Let's not get love and sex mixed up....

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	29-05-2002 12:31									#85
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Not sure why the question mark blackice. Love and sex are quite different things.

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	29-05-2002 12:31									#86
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Why?

Because the chances are they are not.
In most cases the 40 year old is prowling for sex.

quote: Stereotyping a bit?

Yes, that tends to happen when the odds are in my favor.

	29-05-2002 12:36									#87
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quote: Because the chances are they are not. In most cases the 40 year old is prowling for sex.

Ok and you read this where?

quote: Yes, that tends to happen when the odds are in my favor.

Odds?

	29-05-2002 12:37									#88
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Ok and you read this where? Odds?

Sorry I don't have the figures on me nor do I really care to try to prove something you'll dismiss anyway.

But if you honestly think most 40 year olds who are dating 14 year olds -- and refuse to wait until she can consent legally for sex -- are truly in love and not just looking for sex, then perhaps you should get your head examined.

	29-05-2002 12:46									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Sorry I don't have the figures on me nor do I really care to try to prove something you'll dismiss anyway.

Of course not, nothing new there.

quote: But if you honestly think most 40 year olds who are dating 14 year olds -- and refuse to wait until she can consent legally for sex -- are truly in love and not just looking for sex, then perhaps you should get your head examined.

The age of consent?=Maturity again

	29-05-2002 12:49									#90
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quote: Originally posted by blackice The age of consent?=Maturity again

The age of consent is set because MOST people are deemed to be mature at that age, to the point of giving consent to have sex while knowing the consequences.

The argument that some people are more mature than others is a nonissue, since there is no alternative unless you implement some Big Brother system and personally monitor every choice and decision a person makes to determine how mature they are.

So please stop arguing about how the age of consent doesn't represent everyone's maturity level -- it was never intended to. Just a ballpark figure, and that's the best we can do.

Next troll, please.