31-05-2002 20:08									#1
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Hi. First i want to say i don't want to offend anyone with this .

I was in US a short while ago, had a nice time etc.

I engaged in a chat with a about 30 year old man in an airport as i was leaving. It went something like this after a while:

man: so did you like the america?
me: yes, very much so, though i've been here before.
man: did you visit ground zero?
me: yes i did.. it still is a mess.
man: Hell yeah it's a mess. What do you think about them terrorists?
me: Not much.
man: I know what you mean. But we're now fighting them thank god. It was about time. What do you think about it? The new war on terror?
me: I don't know. Something needs to be done, i don't want to talk about this.
man: What do you mean you don't know? You like terrorists?
me: No i don't like them. I just don't want to talk about this.
man: Ok that's cool. You know we'll take Saddam too.
me: I don't know about that.
man: What do you mean? You mean we can't do it?
me: No, it means i don't just know. I don't have cnn back home.
man: What's wrong with cnn? Do you have better? do you even have tvs?
me: Sure we have.
man: Well you know what? You can't say anything, because you're not fighting with us, keeping the world free, so you have no say.
(this is where i did a stupid move)
me: Well i'm not, but you're not either, or are you flying to afghanistan?
man: I would if i could! We should take your country next because you support terrorists. We shouldn't of saved your ass back in ww2. Our fathers died because of you and you don't even deserve it. You would all speak german now if it weren't for us.
me: Sorry about that. Though we weren't germans enemy..
man: So you're nazis too? I bet you're a communist too.
me: no i'm not. Actually we fought against communism in ww2 succesfully. I don't want to talk about this anymore.
man: Yeah, say what you want, this is a free country, and i can say what i want, because we have freedom of speach here, how does it feel?
me: good, i can't wait to go home.
(he even didn't get it that i was actually mocking him with that last one).
It didn't went 100% like this, but it was the same.

I know you have different opinions and differ from this person too.
But do most of americans actually share the same views? As in thinking that US is the only place it freedom of speach? And what's with attacking so fast? I didn't get it. Maybe he was just tired. Some old lady gave him a bad eye, so she was in my side .
We are not so backward as you'd think you know.

ps. i also met nice people too.

	31-05-2002 20:11									#2
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Attacking so fast? I guess "fast" is all relative, too.
I also guess after years of stuff like the Cole, Somalia, and on and on, followed by a few thousand civilians just trying to work at a job who get so blown apart the remains couldn't be located, we just rushed right out there to wage war on terrorists.

	31-05-2002 20:15									#3
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Arggghhhhhhhhh

Slowhand, didn't you get the point of the post, you've just reacted the same way as that guy in the airport. Perhaps this will fall on deaf ears as he didn't get the point earlier.

Answer the posts question and forget about diving in feet first with agressive bravado.

	31-05-2002 20:16									#4
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Yeah slowhand, i think you were the guy! Confess!

	31-05-2002 20:20									#5
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quote: [SIZE=1] man: so did you like the america? me: yes, very much so, though i've been here before. man: did you visit ground zero? me: yes i did.. it still is a mess. man: Hell yeah it's a mess. What do you think about them terrorists? me: Not much. man: I know what you mean. But we're now fighting them thank god. It was about time. What do you think about it? The new war on terror? me: I don't know. Something needs to be done, i don't want to talk about this. man: What do you mean you don't know? You like terrorists? me: No i don't like them. I just don't want to talk about this. man: Ok that's cool. You know we'll take Saddam too. me: I don't know about that. man: What do you mean? You mean we can't do it? me: No, it means i don't just know. I don't have cnn back home. man: What's wrong with cnn? Do you have better? do you even have tvs? me: Sure we have. man: Well you know what? You can't say anything, because you're not fighting with us, keeping the world free, so you have no say. (this is where i did a stupid move) me: Well i'm not, but you're not either, or are you flying to afghanistan? man: I would if i could! We should take your country next because you support terrorists. We shouldn't of saved your ass back in ww2. Our fathers died because of you and you don't even deserve it. You would all speak german now if it weren't for us. me: Sorry about that. Though we weren't germans enemy.. man: So you're nazis too? I bet you're a communist too. me: no i'm not. Actually we fought against communism in ww2 succesfully. I don't want to talk about this anymore. man: Yeah, say what you want, this is a free country, and i can say what i want, because we have freedom of speach here, how does it feel? me: good, i can't wait to go home. (he even didn't get it that i was actually mocking him with that last one). It didn't went 100% like this, but it was the same.

You are quite annoying in fact.

	31-05-2002 20:22									#6
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I should clear out that he was not shouting at me. He was not threatning me and was almost calm. He attacked me verbally, did not respect my wish not to talk about a certain subject. I think he was very arrogant. I guess i went little offtopic myself, i was just wondering is this majority represented here?

	31-05-2002 20:23									#7
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Kublai-Khan, why?

	31-05-2002 20:25									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Kublai-Khan You are quite annoying in fact.

I don't see how he was being annoying, he just didn't want to talk politics to a complete stranger. (Which is usually a very good idea.)

	31-05-2002 20:25									#9
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Was he drunk?

	31-05-2002 20:25									#10
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You should have tried something like this:

man: I would if i could! We should take your country next because you support terrorists. We shouldn't of saved your ass back in ww2. Our fathers died because of you and you don't even deserve it. You would all speak german now if it weren't for us.

you: Oh yeah? Well, guess who you had to rely back in your American Revolution? The French! That's right, you had to have a bunch of cheese-eating froggies to save you! How does it FEEEEEL? How does it FEEEEEEEL to be such a sorry excuse for a superpower that you have to rely on a nation whose greatest military achievement in recent years was blowing up a Greenpeace boat to even get independent? Does it make you feel GOOOOOOOD?

And as for communism? Well, guess what, Yankee, and I don't care if you are a inbred banjo-playing hick from Alabama, because you're a Yankee, and always will be. While my country was busy fighting Stalin, your country called him Uncle Joe and was willing to buddy up to one of greatest mass-murdering dictators of all time. Heck, they were so grateful that they even let him have half of Europe just for asking! What kind of commie-loving nation are you, anyway?

I'm from Finland, the greatest country in the world, and if there were 50 million Finns instead of 5 million, we'd all come here and kick your collective asses from here to eternity. You wouldn't stand a chance against a nation which enjoys being beaten with twigs in a 120C (and I don't care what it is in your illogical measurements) hot sauna and then rolling in snow. Good day, sir, and you better pray you won't see another Finn ever again, because that will be your last sight!

...

And at this phase, you are running like hell...

	31-05-2002 20:25									#11
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I was expecting answers like 'no he was an ******* nothing what america is about'. But now i don't know what to think?

Well i'll wait for more answers.

	31-05-2002 20:27									#12
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slowhand, no.. he was not drunk. Tired obviously which could explain it. But he was so friendly at first, and did 180 so fast. And he had a need to mock me and the country i live in for some reason.


Osweld, And yes. I don't like to talk about politics with strangers in a foreign country. not that i would have shared a different opinion but i have regretted it many times.

	31-05-2002 20:28									#13
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People in the North can be kind of...well, hyper.
Just look at Ming. And RAH. And Chris. And Cal. And Imran.
Hyper, hyper, hyper.

	31-05-2002 20:29									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka i was just wondering is this majority represented here?

No, it isn't. Most of us no that Nazis and Pinko commies aren't the samething. Dirty Finlandized Eurocom!

	31-05-2002 20:29									#15
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are there really only 5 million people living in Finland?

	31-05-2002 20:30									#16
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Not all Americans are like that. Some clearly are, you see posts like that here all the time but there are a lot of American posters who post here who don't think like that.

	31-05-2002 20:30									#17
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quote: Originally posted by SMAC Fanatic are there really only 5 million people living in Finland?

2/3 of them have posted in Laz's thread.

	31-05-2002 20:32									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Kublai-Khan, why?

Hehe, dont get me wrong.
I agree with you.

But It seemed to me that the other guy just didnt want to talk to you, I would have stopped the discuccion before.

	31-05-2002 20:35									#20
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Kublai-Khan, hmm? He started talking to me actually and i did want to talk with him, just different subject .

That's nice about in the US though.. people start talking with you and are friendly.

But keeping it in the subject, the main question could go like; if someone (european, foreign) does not agree with you, or does not want to praise his/her opinion about the great US, he/she must be bashed to the ground, using stereotypes like 1.) we have saved you. You are a p9ssy. Shut up. 2.) we have freedom of speach. You do not. Shut up. 3.) we are great, you are not.
why? Do you share these stereotypes?

I mean US is obviously the only superpower in the world right now, but it does not mean we would be the opposite in every thing.

Last edited by Pekka on 31-05-2002 at 20:40

	31-05-2002 20:36									#21
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You will always find some folks like that. Even if 9/11 hadn't happened, he'd have ranted about something.

Slow, I think what Pekka meant by attacking so fast wasn't the US, but this guy who does a 180 on him instantly, Linda Blair style.

	31-05-2002 20:39									#22
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Linda Blair? YIKES!
Well thanks, Che.
I couldn't understand without "y'all" and such.

	31-05-2002 20:42									#23
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That person you encountered was an idiot. You will find idiots in every country. You don't need to worry, most Americans don't have that view of Europe.

	31-05-2002 20:42									#24
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Che, Exactly. And that he used stereotypes so fast and willingly.
If some US citizen and i have a chat in here, i wouldn't go and bash his/her country and say ' well you know, go eat a big mac and while you're at it, kick some black ass'.

	31-05-2002 20:48									#25
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Shi Huangdi, Ok. That's is what i thought, i just thought to be sure . It's not a good idea to critizise US actions abroad naturally, but then again it's not a good idea to come here and critizise about our army or hockey. I actually mean it, even when it sounds stupid. And yes, you can find a jewhating nazi here too if you search enough etc. Rotten apples are everywhere.

	31-05-2002 20:49									#26
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To me, from the impression from what you provided of this experience, that American is an embarrassment and perhaps an assh**le.

quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand People in the North can be kind of...well, hyper. Just look at Ming. And RAH. And Chris. And Cal. And Imran. Hyper, hyper, hyper.

HYPER?? HYPER!?!? YOU CALLING US HYPER!?


Let me tell ya something, rebel -- it was you guys who frayed our nerves with the Civil War hyperbole!

You want hpyer, I will give ya hyper, reb!! First off . . . . . .



(dramatization)

	31-05-2002 20:55									#27
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The guy was a jerk. He certainly does not represent the kind and respectful people of Tennessee. I have lived in several parts of the United States and these types of people are an embarrassment to the decent folks that live here.

	31-05-2002 20:56									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu you: Oh yeah? Well, guess who you had to rely back in your American Revolution? The French!

Please stop recalling our past mistake...
I prezent my sincere apoligize to the Bristish Crown, but it was an accident.

	31-05-2002 21:04									#29
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Come to Texas sometime. Of course, some would tell you that we're all horse riding, goat roper, Black hating, Gay bashing Red Neck Neanderthals; but you know how that goes.

	31-05-2002 21:05									#30
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Come to Texas sometime. Of course, some would tell you that we're all horse riding, goat roper, Black hating, Gay bashing Red Neck Neanderthals; but you know how that goes.

We still have hope that we can civilize you guys -- just get rid of that damn Confederate flag.

YOU LOST ALREADY.