14-05-2001 02:57									#1
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Which are the civs that we already KNOW FOR SURE they are included in CIV 3?

So far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN

Please add the rest BUT ONLY if you have seen clear evidence that they are in on a snapshot, or on an magazine article or in the Firaxis site.

	14-05-2001 03:14									#2
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What about the Vikings? Is it likely that they add a "Viking Longboat" (confirmed unit) without adding Vikings?

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	14-05-2001 03:19									#3
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Thank you Ralf.

So, so far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
VIKINGS ARE IN

Keep the info (assuming there is more for now) coming.

	14-05-2001 03:39									#4
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The longboat is not a confirmed unit.

	14-05-2001 04:00									#6
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we know that the aztecs will be in. The city of Ehcatepec is obviously aztec.

	14-05-2001 04:04									#7
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Ehcatepec means Hill of the Wind btw.

	14-05-2001 04:10									#8
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Ralf, we have to have written confirmation to let a civ in at this time (city name, unique unit name or leader face etc).

I believe you that the boat looks like a longboat of the vikings but since we are not 100% sure I'll take out the Vikings for now. I am sure they are in anyhow.

Thank you Snapcase for the pointer
Thank you tempti about the Aztecs


So, so far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
AZTECS ARE IN

Keep the info coming guys and girls.

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	14-05-2001 04:14									#9
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Firaxis website specifically mentions the Ironoquis (check my spelling) in the diplomacy section.

	14-05-2001 04:26									#10
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Thank you Roman.

The text is:

«Want to trade your World Map and Bronze Working for a Spearman and Communications with the Indians? No problem. Want to offer a Peace Treaty to the Iroquois, but only if they will pay 5 gold per turn? Just make the demand.»

But we already have the Aztecs. Are we sure that Soren Johnson (Firaxis programmer that wrote the text) didn't just mention the Iroquois as a mere example?

What do you think?

	14-05-2001 04:36									#11
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No, we cannot be sure but I would still say it is one of the "hot tips" along with the Vikings.

	14-05-2001 05:09									#12
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Alright.

So we know for sure that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
AZTECS ARE IN

Awaiting new input (if there is any yet)

	14-05-2001 09:21									#13
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one question:

If the Iroquois were removed since it very well may be that they were just a place holder, why are the Aztecs in when all the info is about them relates to screenshots naming cities? I mean "Kerplachistan" is mentioned as a city! Plus I think that they would have decided on which civs were in early enough to not require placeholders for them.

	14-05-2001 11:08									#14
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Ever considered these city names coming from minor civs?

	14-05-2001 22:09									#16
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I'd call it a possibility, but when you're looking at a couple pixel unit how much difference can be made between a Japanese and Chinese unit?

	15-05-2001 00:12									#17
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JamesJKirk,
I don't understand the first part of your statement.
As for the second part, unfortunately we don't yet have any other information relative to the Iroquois but the abovementioned example reference. I agree that Firaxis must have decided about the civs early on in order to create the leader's expressions, unic units etc but it might just have been an example. I propose we do not include the Iroquois as of yet untill we have more concrete info. But also see the responce to Serapis.

Al Kimiya,
I don't think any of these civs will be minor. The matter is open for debate of course assuming you (or anyone else) can point out the exact information we have about minor civs.

Thank you Serapis about the indian leader,
Can someone with a knowledge of the Indians of America give some suggestions about the identity of this indian leader?
This leader in connection with the Iroquois example that roman pointed out strongly suggests Iroquois (no matter that the Aztecs are certaintly in as well).

Thank you Ralf about the Japanese,
This unit looks positevily like a Samurai warrior.

So, so far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
AZTECS ARE IN
JAPANESE ARE IN

Do we know for certain that the number of civs will be exactly 16?

Keep your information and opinions coming Apolytoners.

	15-05-2001 00:25									#19
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I'm not sure if its a Japanese unit or not, but I think the Japanese are in the game. Japan is too huge a market for video games for them not to include a Japanese civ, probably Tokugawa again, though I haven't seen a leader shot yet (something about Tojo, just doesn't sit right)

	15-05-2001 00:38									#21
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Tecumseh was Shawnee, which was an Iroquois tribe, but that was before Tecumseh was around, and by then, the Shawnee were further inland. Joseph Brant, or Thayendanegea, was the leader of 4 of the 6 nations during the Revolutionary War.

	15-05-2001 00:52									#22
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	15-05-2001 00:56									#23
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So, so far we know that:

GREEKS ARE IN
AMERICANS ARE IN
GERMANS ARE IN
CHINESE ARE IN
ROMANS ARE IN
FRENCH ARE IN
RUSSIANS ARE IN
ZULUS ARE IN
ENGLISH ARE IN
AZTECS ARE IN
JAPANESE ARE IN (open for debate plz see the samurai(?) unit at http://viewer.fgnonline.com/fgn_med...ews%2Funits.jpg
INDIAN TRIBE IS IN (we are not sure which one yet)

Do we know for certain that the number of civs will be exactly 16?


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	15-05-2001 01:03									#24
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What about the Mongols? There need to be more Asian leaders and Genghis conquered more then Alexander the Great did.

	15-05-2001 01:05									#25
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Also, out of tradition, almost certainly the Egyptians (Ramses II) and the Babylonians (Hammurabi). Does anyone doubt that these two Civs won't be in CivIII? Especially as more "civilized, perfectionist" (ala Civ2) cvis need to be in the game as most of the list are conquering nations

	15-05-2001 03:12									#27
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Take a look at this: http://viewer.fgnonline.com/fgn_med...sticadvisor.jpg

Are Canadians in?????
Where the hell is Guam???

Also plz have a look at civ III section in Apolyton. Look at the face of that guy next to the indian leader. Is this Genghis Chan?

Can these leaders be military leaders instead of civ leader?
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	15-05-2001 03:15									#28
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Guam is a US Territory.

I am pretty sure the other picture is the leader of the Iriquois. Those huts in the backround look like Iriquois construction... They were mentioned elsewhere too, so I'm pretty sure they're in.

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	15-05-2001 03:25									#29
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Oh, ok. Sorry about that. Didn't know it

I'll add that Iroquis are most propable indian tribe. I'm waiting to see what you think about the face next to the Indian. I'd say 90% is our friend Genghins

	15-05-2001 04:27									#30
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Egypt is in, and so is India. There are seven screenshots of leaders in Computer Gaming World:

Mao Tse Tung
An Egyptian pharoah
Abraham Lincoln
Caesar
Mahatma Ghandi
Joan of Arc
Elizabeth I