04-06-2002 22:28									#1
	V 1.21 trainer do any exist??? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Does anybody know of any trainers for the newest version 1.21? If so I would like to know of them. Thanks

	04-06-2002 23:58									#2
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If you want trainers, you are a cheater. Go away.

	05-06-2002 00:13									#3
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There are other ways to cheat without using a trainer anyway.

	05-06-2002 00:36									#4
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Why so harsh? Who cares if they want to cheat? (As long as it's not a MP game and the cheaters don't brag about their skills, that is.)

To answer the original question, there's at least one. I just did a Search on "trainer" and found this thread. The trainer had been downloaded 504 times, so there are a lot of cheaters out there!

There may be more trainers, but I didn't check out the rest of the search results.

	05-06-2002 02:36									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Purple Why so harsh? Who cares if they want to cheat? (As long as it's not a MP game and the cheaters don't brag about their skills, that is.) To answer the original question, there's at least one. I just did a Search on "trainer" and found this thread. The trainer had been downloaded 504 times, so there are a lot of cheaters out there! There may be more trainers, but I didn't check out the rest of the search results.

I have to agree with Purple. Who cares if they want to cheat? A game is meant to be enjoyed, and if cheating brings you pleasure then.....

But, I have seen some trainers at Civ Fanatics if ya wanna look there.

	05-06-2002 02:57									#6
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We aren't harsh. We are just trying to make a point.

It is just far more fun to learn how to be good than to cheat.

	05-06-2002 03:02									#7
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You can get several trainers from this site, including one for 1.21 :

http://www.megagames.com/cracks/html/t902600_0.htm

Haven't tried it out though

	05-06-2002 08:27									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Solver If you want trainers, you are a cheater. Go away.

What a lousy attitude to take. If someone else wants to cheat in their SP game, then who are you to tell them to go away? Its not like it affects you in any way. They're playing aganist the computer. Let them decide how or how not to play.

I happen to think that cheating detracts from the experience. But if someone else doesn't then that's their own prerogative.

	05-06-2002 14:42									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse We aren't harsh. We are just trying to make a point. It is just far more fun to learn how to be good than to cheat.

Some people don't care about "being good", they just want to have pleasure to play.

Amazing, I know. It's a strange idea that a game is used to bring pleasure. People are so strange sometimes...

	05-06-2002 17:08									#10
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some games are designed to better your self

	05-06-2002 18:21									#11
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quote: Originally posted by aebrahim What a lousy attitude to take. If someone else wants to cheat in their SP game, then who are you to tell them to go away? Its not like it affects you in any way. They're playing aganist the computer. Let them decide how or how not to play. I happen to think that cheating detracts from the experience. But if someone else doesn't then that's their own prerogative.

While posting about trainers is better than searching for hacks here (offically prohibited), many of us have a very harsh attitude against cheaters - and a person who wants to use a trainer is a cheater.

	05-06-2002 18:36									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Solver While posting about trainers is better than searching for hacks here (offically prohibited), many of us have a very harsh attitude against cheaters - and a person who wants to use a trainer is a cheater.

It only prove your arrogance and your lack of open mind.

	05-06-2002 18:44									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil It only prove your arrogance and your lack of open mind.

LOL... you can hardly blame for lack of open mind. Here's another factor (besides the dislike for cheaters that some people got), I do not want, when MP comes out, engage in an MP game with someone who has asked about a trainer. I will not feel sure I won't be getting cheated there.

It is the case in AoE, too, when people ask about trainers, the others get unhappy and add the guy to the blacklist of players. Not that everyone does it, but if all someone wants is a trainer, doesn't look very good.

	05-06-2002 23:41									#14
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Please, can we agree that enough has been said on this subject?

	06-06-2002 04:57									#15
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You don't NEED a "trainer" (read as: cheatin' tool) for CIV3. With the editor, you can make the game as easy as you want it to be.

	06-06-2002 18:05									#16
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Theoretically, you can use the Editor, but it's not that easy and not as "pleasing" .

	07-06-2002 01:58									#17
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i used the editor to just get rid of bits i found annoying, like having to wait so long for a road to be built, so i made roads and railroads take just 1 turn to build.

	07-06-2002 04:42									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil Some people don't care about "being good", they just want to have pleasure to play. Amazing, I know. It's a strange idea that a game is used to bring pleasure. People are so strange sometimes...

They'll have more fun if they don't cheat. Trainers are like using floaties to swim with. I live to make people happy.

quote: Originally posted by HazieDaVampire i used the editor to just get rid of bits i found annoying, like having to wait so long for a road to be built, so i made roads and railroads take just 1 turn to build.

Well, this is fine as long as all the players can take advantage.

	07-06-2002 17:18									#19
	Re: V 1.21 trainer do any exist??? Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by lisdexia203 Does anybody know of any trainers for the newest version 1.21? If so I would like to know of them. Thanks

hi ,

yes , its called civ3 , .....training , retry , restart , play , again and again , that is the only way to "train" , ......

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 18:14									#20
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And this half-joky point by Panag says it all.

	07-06-2002 23:04									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Solver And this half-joky point by Panag says it all.

hi ,

---"thank you"--- , ......of course there is an other way to learn things , ....spent time on apolyton , learn , and implement what you have learned here , in a game , if you dont get it or understand it completely , come back , ask , and try again , ....


Solver , what do you think about it , ....

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 23:11									#22
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Well Panag, that's an addition to the best learning method . The best way to learn is practice, period. However, reading what some of the strategy master, like Vel, got to say is great, too. But you got to actually try it, not just read.

Also... you got to forget all that you have learnt from Civ 2. I had to throw all my previous practice with Civ away to start playing reasonably at Civ 3.

	07-06-2002 23:20									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Well Panag, that's an addition to the best learning method . The best way to learn is practice, period. However, reading what some of the strategy master, like Vel, got to say is great, too. But you got to actually try it, not just read. Also... you got to forget all that you have learnt from Civ 2. I had to throw all my previous practice with Civ away to start playing reasonably at Civ 3.

hi ,

yes and no , units are units , its the way you use them , ....example on deity , the comp sometimes forgets , ( ) , ahem , half the time , and more , to guard its rear , ......nice for some paratroops , and nice for you , to get those unprotected city's , .......

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 23:22									#24
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Uhmm you got to watch some of the real stupid attacks I've launched.

	07-06-2002 23:22									#25
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I've used a couple trainers in my day to get better at what I considered difficult games. Maybe lisdexia is getting clobbered even on cheiftan level.

Why is using a trainer cheating?

Yes, practice is the best teacher. But how many piano students start out playing Beethoven? You start with "Chopsticks" and move on to "Heart & Soul".

And maybe some people like to play games and completely clobber the AI. Sometimes it's a fun way to vent some frustration.

Panag, Solver, let me ask you something... Have you ever used a walkthrough or a strategy guide to help your play? If you have, lay off people who want trainers. If not, hats off to you for figuring out every game on your own. You've read Vel's strategy thread, which I would consider a walkthrough. Cheaters. nya nya nya nya nya

	07-06-2002 23:26									#26
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Dunk, I can't agree with you. I consider walkthroughs and trainers a completely different thing. Strategy guides teach what to do; reading strategies is part of the proccess. Trainers, however, are modifying some bits in the memory/whatever that let you do whatever you want in an unfair way. That's it. Now, if I know that a person is using trainers, I will refuse to play him in MP. It's my philosophy, it might be wrong, but to me, if someone wants to cheat, I can't be certain he won't try to cheat when playing me.

And BTW... while I'm reading strats for Civ 3, I started with Civ 1 without reading anything, of course (Internet way back there?). And for most other games I played, whatever little I have, I almost never used a guide, too. Oh, and I have never activated the cheat mode .

	07-06-2002 23:29									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Uhmm you got to watch some of the real stupid attacks I've launched.

hi ,

there is a saying ; "KISS" , ....

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid

but then again , RES NON VERBA and who dares wins , .....

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 23:34									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Uhmm you got to watch some of the real stupid attacks I've launched.

hi ,

actually , nothing is "stupid" , ....as long as you learn , .....

there is no such thing as a stupid move , if you feel that it was stupid , well then its because of other reason's , ....like the lack of , .......training , or intel , or beause you started a war with a civ that is about 10 times stronger then you , .....

have a nice day

	07-06-2002 23:38									#29
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Good point, too. I start to really like your posts.

	07-06-2002 23:45									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Good point, too. I start to really like your posts.

hi ,

thank you , ....

BTW , are you feeling good today Solver , ........

have a nice day