09-06-2002 07:17									#31
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Why don't you change yours .

	09-06-2002 07:18									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Why don't you change yours .

Cause mine isn't a nazi one?

	09-06-2002 07:21									#33
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So?

	09-06-2002 07:21									#34
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dutchy:

AA improves their chances to get blue collar jobs? Cause I know it only helps the black middle class get into college cause they can afford it in the first place. And what about poor whites?

And your picture is offensive to me. The drawing of the woman is contorted oddly and wearing far too revealing clothes.


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	09-06-2002 07:22									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui So?

you're kidding, right?

	09-06-2002 07:24									#36
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No, I'm not.

So what if he has a Nazi name for his sn. What does it matter to you?

Were you as pissed over Djugashvilli?

	09-06-2002 07:28									#37
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So what you're saying is that AA is okay. And since AA is racial preference, racial discrimination is okay?

	09-06-2002 07:29									#38
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quote: And your picture is offensive to me. The drawing of the woman is contorted oddly and wearing far too revealing clothes.

Hahaha... This picture was made by a Peruvian (yep, a non Aryan) for Esquire (wow, a sexist magazine) in the 40's. This picture was also painted on the nose of several B-17's during WW2... Planes that bombed the **** out of your hero... So I think I'll keep it for a while...

	09-06-2002 07:32									#39
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Then maybe you shouldn't complain about his username .

	09-06-2002 07:33									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui No, I'm not. So what if he has a Nazi name for his sn. What does it matter to you? Were you as pissed over Djugashvilli?

I'm not going to argue this again (it's 4.30 am over here) but what often strikes me is that Americans don't get how sensitive Nazism is over here...

Edit: This is real bad English I think, but I hope I got my point across... Good night to you all

	09-06-2002 07:37									#41
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We Americans don't get how sensitive Naziism is, but Communism is ok.

It's amazing.

	09-06-2002 07:37									#42
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So, according to you, naming yourself after Stalin is A OK but naming yourself after a second tier Nazi is completely out of the question and the person doing so should be ostracized. Is that what your saying?

	09-06-2002 07:40									#43
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No Soviet boots marched our streets... No Soviets rounded up out Jewish neighbours...

This is what I mean, for Americans it's easy to equal Communism with Nazism... For us it's not.

	09-06-2002 07:41									#44
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well damn... back to the topic...

	09-06-2002 07:42									#45
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quote: No Soviet boots marched our streets... No Soviets rounded up out Jewish neighbours

SO?! That makes them less evil? Yes, the lower Eastern Europeans had to deal with them, so it doesn't matter!

	09-06-2002 07:43									#46
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Hueij:

No nazis threatened you or us with nuclear annihilation

	09-06-2002 07:45									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui SO?! That makes them less evil? Yes, the lower Eastern Europeans had to deal with them, so it doesn't matter!

He considers them to be lesser races and not worth consideration.

	09-06-2002 07:46									#48
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Yes... damn Slavs

	09-06-2002 10:35									#49
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Hueji: Would you favor AA for minorities in Holland?

And Speer, poor people can go to college, and many do. Financial aid, students loans, scholarships, money from the military, jobs, etc. Of course, poor people don't have the same opportunites to do well and typically do worse on the SAT, and AA helps the black poor overcome their economic disadvantages. Unfortunately, it does not help the poor whites, which is why it would be better to base AA on socioeconomics rather than race.

Also, Speer, would you mind saying again why you still want to have Albert Speer be your username?

	09-06-2002 15:42									#50
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Engrave this date in stone. Shi's just made a post I fully agree with.

	09-06-2002 18:00									#51
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Imran, DinoDoc,

You guys missed the essential point, which is also the reason for Shi's question. "Djugashvili" was relatively harmless in the sense that he didn't spout off the crap connected with the original person, and on at least one occasion distanced himself from everything Stalin stood for. "Albert Speer" wants people to teach him German, states he listens to Wagner and other things which aren't Nazi by definition but could be classified as heavy flirting.

Rationally speaking Imran, yes you might have a point beneath your crusade to aid the teenage quasi-nazi, but why won't you just accept the fact that some people might have a problem here? We're talking emotions, not mathematics in terms of "who-was-the-most-evil-dictator". As for you, DinoDoc, your suggestion "He considers them to be lesser races and not worth consideration", even if it's meant as a joke, says a lot more about you than anybody else around.

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quote: Financial aid, students loans, scholarships, money from the military, jobs, etc. Of course, poor people don't have the same opportunites to do well and typically do worse on the SAT, and AA helps the black poor overcome their economic disadvantages. Unfortunately, it does not help the poor whites, which is why it would be better to base AA on socioeconomics rather than race.

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And this is what ticks me off. Schools, like the University of Michigan which had AA upheld, are trumpeting how "diverse" they are. But, regardless of whether you're black, brown, purple, or paisley, it's still the people with lots of money who make up the bulk of the student body.
But the university points to the 2 or 3% of black students from Detroit and says "see how we're upholding diversity, see how democratic we are." What a joke, and an insult to minorities. Put your money where your mouth is. Instead of spending millions in legal costs on withholding some inane concept which will probably lose in SCUSA anyway, build a charter school or institute massive outreach programs to tap into the talents off all disadvantaged folks,
regardless of skin color.

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	09-06-2002 19:33									#53
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Holy blue ****, I can't believe the endless lies people believe about AA.

1) There are NO quotas. NONE. Quotas are ILLEGAL.

2) I can't speak for every institution, but poor whites get EXACTLY the same amount of AA as poor blacks do at the University of Michigan. Poor whites are not being left behind by affirmative action at UM. Period. That's just a bald-faced lie told to appeal to some of the darker corners of otherwise rational minds.

And, finally, to the punk who started this thread, will you please, for the love of common human decency, change your goddamned handle.

	09-06-2002 19:44									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Monk As for you, DinoDoc, your suggestion "He considers them to be lesser races and not worth consideration", even if it's meant as a joke, says a lot more about you than anybody else around.

My sense of humor is a little twisted. So sue me.

	09-06-2002 21:21									#55
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It would be better if AA would focus on background as a whole not just on race of socio-economics. I know some middle class white people who have it pretty bad, and can't deal with problems as well as I can.

	09-06-2002 21:38									#56
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If people would read some of what Albert Speer wrote in prison they might have an ounce of compassion for the man. At least he saw the error of his ways like many Germans did after the war and the delusion of Nazism. Of course repentance is not widely valued now days so I can understand the reaction to the use of Albert Speer's name but at least he admitted to doing wrong and I respect him for that. And I am a hard core supporter of Israel. When I see his name used as a handle I think of the human being behind it, not the insanity of Nazism. Of course if the handle was Adolf Hitler then I could understand the absolute scorn.

	09-06-2002 21:47									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln If people would read some of what Albert Speer wrote in prison they might have an ounce of compassion for the man. At least he saw the error of his ways like many Germans did after the war and the delusion of Nazism. Of course repentance is not widely valued now days so I can understand the reaction to the use of Albert Speer's name but at least he admitted to doing wrong and I respect him for that. And I am a hard core suporter of Israel.

So maybe they shouldn't have hung (hanged?) Hans Frank? After all, he saw the error of his ways too during the Nuremberg trials...

Besides, I doubt that the little punk on Apo has chosen his handle because the real Speer "repented"... I still think it was a clever pr trick tho...

	09-06-2002 21:50									#58
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He didn't repent soon enough. He didn't repent when he became aware that Jews were being murdered in millions.

He didn't repent his plans to rebuild Berlin using slave labour on an industrial scale.

In fact, he showed no signs of even having doubts until he realised the war was lost.

That's some repentance.

	09-06-2002 21:55									#59
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I don't know why he chose the handle. He will have to answer for himself. But the fact that Speer didn't repent until after the war places him in the same catagory of most Germans living at that time. It was a huge delusion and people need to go on.

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"2) I can't speak for every institution, but poor whites get EXACTLY the same amount of AA as poor blacks do at the University of Michigan. Poor whites are not being left behind by affirmative action at UM. Period. That's just a bald-faced lie told to appeal to some of the darker corners of otherwise rational minds."


Are you calling me a liar? If so, prove that first:

1) AA never harms poor whites

2) I was aware that AA never harmed poor whites, but made that post as part of a sinister plot to decieve people.

Otherwise, I expect an apology.

They had a report on AA at U of Michigan on 60 minutes. In it applicants are awarded a certain amount of points, and you get a whole lot of points for being a minority. The Result was that a certain level of GPA/SAT level combination most whites were rejected and most African-Americans were accepted. Can you post a link showing how many points you get for being poor, or Poor people do at certain GPA/SAT levels in admissions compared to rich students? And even if so, do you have any evidence that AA helps poor people at any other universities?