13-06-2002 13:45									#1
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4 players controlling 2 nations each. Teamed up from start 2 vs 2.

Settings (proposed):

*Map size: Gigantic
*Difficulty: Emperor
*Barbs: Raging Hordes
Earth/Doughnut World ??
Bloodlust On/Off ??
*Pollution On
*Number of Civilizations 8

Map: ????
Wet/dry 40%
warm/cold 50%
Ocean/land 40%
Island/continent 70%
Uniform/diverse 100%
few/many goods 60%
3 Settlers
100 Gold (default)

*=preferred/a must.

What you do prefer??????

Players:

TheBirdMan - max.reiff@lyngbyes.dk
FlameFlash - flameflash@mac.com
Jpww - jpwwsch@yahoo.com
Ricketyclik - richardjbarratt@hotmail.com

Stand by: Milamber - milamber@whidbey.com - malric@whidbey.com

If you already now know, that you will be away for a longer time, pls write it here. Then we can take this into consideration when planning the teams.

I have not planned any vacations yet.

	13-06-2002 14:38									#2
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Yep, July 6/7 to July 29/30.

	13-06-2002 18:30									#3
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Doughnut World
Bloodlust Off

No vacations planned... I get to work all summer!

	13-06-2002 20:24									#4
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Doughnut World
Bloodlust Off

Map:

Wet/dry 30%
warm/cold 50%
Ocean/land 30%
Island/continent 20%
Uniform/diverse 100%
few/many goods 60%

An "island game" may help balance starting positions.

Are we using Keygen's mod?

	13-06-2002 23:49									#5
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If you all have the lite-mod then YES. Else I will use Stavros' old, where we can choose how many settlers we want to start with (and a lot more if we want, I have the expiriences).

	13-06-2002 23:53									#6
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3 settlers should be plenty.

	14-06-2002 04:38									#7
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Modlite I have... world settings I don't mind.... bloodlust off is my preference there.

	14-06-2002 09:17									#8
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bump. no vaction work all the time. blood on. doughnut
will stand by

	14-06-2002 23:05									#9
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I have Keygen's lite mod.

	14-06-2002 23:56									#10
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I have Keygen's lite mod, but I like the sound of just three settlers to start out with too.

An island game does sound like the better route.

	15-06-2002 06:41									#11
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Do we know the team assignments yet?

	15-06-2002 14:45									#12
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No - any suggestions? I am ready to team up with anyone of you.

Which nations will you play?

I think I wil take the russians and the vikings.

	16-06-2002 01:42									#13
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I'll take the Portuguese and the Spanish. It'd be nice to have balanced teams, but since I haven't had the pleasure of playing with all of you, I couldn't even make an educated guess. We'll probably have to randomly assign the teams somehow.

	16-06-2002 02:56									#14
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Indonesian/Thai please.

I suggest FF and I team up each with either JPWW or Bird, as FF and I are the relatively inexperienced players.

	16-06-2002 03:30									#15
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So we do each get two nations!!!

Native Americans and Irish please.

Teaming up with ricketyclik sounds fine to me... espeically since he and I seem to work well together in one of the other games (Bulletproof) though commiting to borders isn't much...

Maybe asking Keygen's opinion, if he's available. It'd be good to get the teams balanced and he's probably seen us all in action one place or another.

	16-06-2002 10:53									#16
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I'll setup a "plain" game with 3 settlers today.

I presume Ricketyclick is right - therefore the play-list will be as this:

TBM, team 1
Ricketyclick, team 2
FlameFlash, team 1
JPWW, team 2

Settings (proposed):

Map size: Gigantic
Difficulty: Emperor
Barbs: Raging Hordes
Doughnut World ??
Bloodlust Off
Pollution On
Number of Civilizations 8

Map:
Wet/dry 40%
warm/cold 50%
Ocean/land 40%
Island/continent 40%
Uniform/diverse 100%
few/many goods 60%
3 Settlers
100 Gold (default)

First, I will setup a few SP games with those settings and see, how the map looks like. I might change those sliders 10% in either way: Wet/dry from 40%, warm/cold from 50%, Ocean/land from 40% and Island/continent from 40%. I'll publish the final settings in the starting thread.


Any objections?

	16-06-2002 13:00									#17
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No objections here

	16-06-2002 18:38									#18
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Doughnut, please!

No objections

	16-06-2002 22:42									#19
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Looking good, I'm happy.

	17-06-2002 11:10									#20
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Those settings were changed.
Ocean/land 40%
Island/continent 30%

Turn 0 to Ricketyclick, cc to Jpww.

Let the best team win.

Ehhhh.... reminds me. Victory conditions (if not won by alien life): Any suggestions?

	17-06-2002 13:28									#21
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Turn 0 to FlameFlash, cc to TBM.

I heard a scream after "end turn"...?

	17-06-2002 13:45									#22
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It wasn't me

	17-06-2002 18:21									#23
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quote: Originally posted by TheBirdMan Ehhhh.... reminds me. Victory conditions (if not won by alien life): Any suggestions?

Victory conditions? Alien life (a team member would be placed in rank 1 with the other team member ranked 2.)

For bloodlust victory (if the team just goes out to kill the oposing team) maybe have it understood that once bloodlust has been accquired (by the one team) a five (or longer?) turn peace can ensue and then the teammates can turn on each other.

Just my suggestion.

quote: Originally posted by ricketyclik Turn 0 to FlameFlash, cc to TBM.

So, I send this turn to both JPWW, and ricketyclik?

And then the next time I see the turn I'll be a different nation?

I'm still just confused.

	17-06-2002 18:22									#24
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Oh... and turn recieved... will play after work.

	17-06-2002 18:33									#25
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Turn to both yes.

My thoughts were, that if I was away/not responding for say 24 hours, You should open my turn and play it - preferable just the way I would have done it. But most important - it would be played without unreasonable delay.

And for the confusion: We play with the Russian, the Viking, the Irish and the Native Americans TOGETHER against Jpww and Ricketyclick (Spanish, Portuguese, Thai and Indonesian).

So coordination between each team will be very important.

Last edited by TheBirdMan on 17-06-2002 at 18:41

	17-06-2002 18:44									#26
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*nods* I'm starting to understand it a little bit better... hopefully after I've had a look at the map I'll understand what's going on more and then talk to you over e-mail about it all, all right?

	17-06-2002 21:16									#27
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Right!

	19-06-2002 04:32									#28
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Turn 0 to Birdman & Flameflash
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no Keygen's fast-start mod?

I guess fast starts are overrated!

	19-06-2002 08:48									#29
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No, decided to take it plain - and believe me, with 3 settlers each, we will soon enough be able to change the coastlines.

I got this in mail from Jpww:

quote: Arghh! I thought I was going to play my civs back to back

I do see you point. It would make the turnrate much faster. If we shall make a restart with that little change - THEN IT IS NOW!

Turn 0-0 (second nation turn 0) to Ricketyclick.

	19-06-2002 14:26									#30
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I don't mind either way with the turn order, but I guess I have a slight preference toward back-to-back turns.

Btw, the filename says email to Birdman, but isn't it Flameflash's turn? You'll both get it anyway.

Turn 0.2 --> Flameflash & Birdman