18-06-2002 20:33									#1
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this was a shameful match. they did everything they could and finally managed to throw italy out.

	18-06-2002 20:34									#2
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Yep, the referees have been anti-European on Blatter's orders.

You just watch how unfairly England will be treated against Brazil.

	18-06-2002 20:36									#3
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Of course, no orders here, but the goal on 115 (?) minute was there, most probably.

	18-06-2002 20:36									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Yep, the referees have been anti-European on Blatter's orders. You just watch how unfairly England will be treated against Brazil.

i also suspect that. brazilians were given a helping hand against belgium and turkey

	18-06-2002 20:56									#5
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Don't make me laugh. The italians brough this entirely on themselves... The referee didn't make one truly bad decision, with only the Totti sending off being mildly contentious.

No, It was Italy's boring ****ing play that lost them the game. No lame excuses, please.

	18-06-2002 20:59									#6
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Snapcase buzz off!

If I am not mistaken an Ecuadorian was the referree... Ecuador was defeated by Italy... maybe it was the referee's way of getting back at Italy. Pathetic.

	18-06-2002 21:02									#7
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*yawn*

Bad Losers making bad excuses.

	18-06-2002 21:02									#8
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Snapcase, did you watch Japan - Turkey earlier? Now that was boring.

	18-06-2002 21:04									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase *yawn* Bad Losers making bad excuses.

Hey pal, I am cheering for Spain...

I was just upset it wouldn't of been an Italy/Spain match.. because that would of been interesting... hey now Spain has a bigger chance in getting pass the quarterfinals.

	18-06-2002 21:07									#10
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After a few results out here, I'm quite fearing to make predictions, even for Germany-USA.

	18-06-2002 21:18									#11
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I'm generally not lamenting about referees, but this WC is full of completely freaked out decisions, especially against Italy. It's no fun at all this way. I don't know if this is some FIFA decision to help Brazil, I don't think so. But I would feel so badly betrayed if I were Italian that I wouldn't even go on watching the rest of the competition. Even though Italy didn't play attractively, I have seen much more boring games and much more "Catenaccio" tactics of other teams. Korea deserved to get to the Extra-Time, but Italy was betrayed of the victory.
What a shame! The referee should never get another game again!

	18-06-2002 21:24									#12
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People blaming their team sucking on the ref:

Italy has not had a good tournament so far- they barely qualified for the tournament only because Ecuador didn't lose to Croatia in the last game. They lost to Croatia- heck the only team they beat during the whole WC was Ecuador. Korea on the other had has played marvelous so far and it didn't suprise me at all that they won. Plus I am happy to see Korea win because it was them beating Portugal that let the US advance!

Go Korea! Let's hope Spain is the next team to lose to them.

	18-06-2002 21:28									#13
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I'm not even a tifoso of the Italians, nor is it of any relevancy how good/bad a team played. Fact is that Italians faced more uncorrect decisions than any other team during WC.

	18-06-2002 21:29									#14
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Shi, Spain should not lose....

	18-06-2002 22:04									#15
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Referees did an extremely bad job in refereeing Italy in this WC.

I can easily say that 4 legal goals had been disallowed (2 against Croatia, 1 against Mexico, 1 against Korea)
only one in my opinion was really offside.
But probably my view is distorted by me being a big supporter of football. And of course Italy.

But one thing is sure for me.
Italy should have not, and can not play so defensively ever again.
That was our big probleme.Closing in defense against a weaker team, is like inviting them to score, if you are stronger, like Italy is, compared to Mexico or Korea (IMHO), you should attack, do not allow them to attack, because they would be too scared of receiving a shot fro Vieri, Inzaghi, Del Piero or Totti.

I had enough of this defensive minded people.
People when think of the Italian football team, think of 10 defender plus a goalkeeper, but we have so many good affensive player that is a shame not using them.

We deserved to go out, no matter how bad the referees were, Hopefully after losing EuroCup2000, WorldCup2002 and the Italian Clubs, full of great champions, underperforming in the European competitions for 3 years in a row should have teach our coaches that is time to change.
Offense is the best defense they say..... How come they do the opposite

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	18-06-2002 22:09									#16
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Really? Our lot seem to be doing rather well by playing like Italians .

	18-06-2002 22:14									#17
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"Referees did an extremely bad job in refereeing Italy in this WC."

I think you forgot to put a much needed "h" after the W in your handle.

	18-06-2002 22:18									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I think you forgot to put a much needed "h" after the W in your handle.

Oh come on... if you had read his entire post, you will see that he doesn't blame the loss on the officiating... he puts the blame where it belongs... with the style of play...

	18-06-2002 22:23									#19
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So he's whining about his team.

	18-06-2002 22:24									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi "Referees did an extremely bad job in refereeing Italy in this WC." I think you forgot to put a much needed "h" after the W in your handle.

One could also add a certain consonant at the end of "Shi"...

	18-06-2002 22:25									#21
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII So he's whining about his team.

Good point...

However, Shi Huangdi was nailing him for his referee comment

	18-06-2002 22:26									#22
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No.
Not about the team.
I'm just saying that with so many good players... and so many offensive power (Vieri, Del Piero, Totti, Montella, Inzaghi, Doni etc..) playing so much defensively is a shame.

I'm "whining" about the Coach. (read my signature)

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	18-06-2002 22:30									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Snapcase buzz off! If I am not mistaken an Ecuadorian was the referree... Ecuador was defeated by Italy... maybe it was the referee's way of getting back at Italy. Pathetic.

What? I thought they only allowed judges from neutral countries in the finals just for that reason... This sucks

Love your new handle btw

	18-06-2002 22:34									#24
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Neutral countries? Ecuador weren't involved in the match...

	18-06-2002 22:47									#25
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Don't whine about the coach. He's given the most famous interview of all coaches ever working in Germany.
.. Flaschen leer ...
.. Struuuunz ... (probably not because he played much worse than the others but because his name is so close to stronzo)
... ich habe fertig.

	18-06-2002 23:30									#26
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I´m not so sure they would have scored on the offside goal. The goalie heard the whistle and stopped playing. He could well have stopped the Italian (was it Vieri) if there hadn´t been an offside call.

	18-06-2002 23:32									#27
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Hehe... The whole game I was thinking to myself, come on Totti, get that red card, when it finally happened I cheered


I watched the whole think from an Irish pub in Brussels
88th minute: I jump up and cheer. 3+ dozen Italians are staring at the screen wiht this "What the ****?" look on their faces, I sit back down quickly.

And the second Italian "goal" was clearly illegal. (Unlike the 2 against Croatia.)

(OK, so it helps that I really wanted Korea to win).

	18-06-2002 23:35									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase *yawn* Bad Losers making bad excuses.

Snapcase, se per te tre partite e cinque - 5 - FIVE goal annullati non sono abbastanza,

FOTTITI.

E te lo dico di cuore, sei il secondo della mia lista IGNORE.

PS Victor, tu sei il numero 3. Stesso augurio di Snapcase.

	18-06-2002 23:43									#29
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Lol @ Prometheus

Italy only beat Romania in 2000 in Euro Championship, and this year in the qualifiers for the world cup, but I'm not bitter

Nah, I just really want Korea to win (It's so much easier not having to root for your own country you can pick one to root for).

Right now:

1. S. Korea
2. England
3. Deutschland.

I think after the next round, only Deutschland will be around, so then I will have clear loyalties Deutschland will win because they are Deutschland (you would have to have had my German teacher to get that).

	18-06-2002 23:48									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Prometeus Snapcase, se per te tre partite e cinque - 5 - FIVE goal annullati non sono abbastanza, FOTTITI. E te lo dico di cuore, sei il secondo della mia lista IGNORE. PS Victor, tu sei il numero 3. Stesso augurio di Snapcase.

Ah ah ah ah!

In effetti 5 gol annulati sono molti, pero`........
BASTA......
col difensivismo, se avessimo giocato piu` improntati all' attacco ne avremo segnati altri 10 (di cui altri 5 annulati )

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