21-06-2002 09:46									#1
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Every time I play MP I'm annoyed, cause the Host takes white and moves first therefore.
Does anyone have an idea, how to change the game files, so it is random, what player (colour) starts first?

	21-06-2002 15:38									#2
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I often host and never take white

	21-06-2002 16:00									#3
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Maybe I'm just lazy......but I've never noticed if color is a issue in the the order of play.....guess it is

	21-06-2002 16:10									#4
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Lol, you never knew that? Red moves first, then white->purple

There is no way of changing the order.

	21-06-2002 16:30									#5
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Some consider going first a disadvantage...
If barbs show up, you don't have time to rush build a unit. People not going first do

	21-06-2002 16:31									#6
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It really matters when both of you land the spacship in the same year

	21-06-2002 18:15									#7
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I host all the time, and I never take white.

	21-06-2002 18:54									#8
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i always play purple

	21-06-2002 19:01									#9
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I don't asked, if you take white or not - I need HELP

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quote: Originally posted by Hydey It really matters when both of you land the spacship in the same year

It matters too, if you build a wonder

	21-06-2002 19:16									#10
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There is no help to be had. All you can really do is discuss civ selection before the game. There is nothing out there to "randomize" it.

And again... I hate going first. Granted, yeah, it might get you a wonder... but if two archers drop off a ship next to your capital on surprise, I would much rather have the opportunity to rush build some kind of defense then lose my capital because I was going first

	21-06-2002 19:33									#11
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i like to go last....go gremany.............wooooohooooooo world cup fever ....

see everyone tonite if i don't pass out ifrst...no sleep...too many beers..and some bastard brought three bottles (large uns) of sake....gosh drarn i can't seen teh screen

on topoic....you play by color...deal with it...you dont' like white,, don't go first....its quite simple

	21-06-2002 19:42									#12
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quote: Originally posted by C-F-G I don't asked, if you take white or not - I need HELP P.S. It matters too, if you build a wonder

Then either host or find another host that doesn't like white. There seems to be quite a few looking at the posts here.

RAH

	21-06-2002 20:59									#13
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Rome forever!

	21-06-2002 21:21									#14
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Depending on number of players and islands playing white can actualy be a disadvantage, like always it all depends on settings.

	21-06-2002 21:58									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Ming And again... I hate going first. Granted, yeah, it might get you a wonder... but if two archers drop off a ship next to your capital on surprise, I would much rather have the opportunity to rush build some kind of defense then lose my capital because I was going first

You mean barbarians? I always play with "villages only"

	21-06-2002 22:31									#16
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it really doesn't matter that much...... especially if you're still playing with villages only

	21-06-2002 22:39									#17
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quote: Originally posted by atawa Depending on number of players and islands playing white can actualy be a disadvantage, like always it all depends on settings.

Playing rome is always a disadvantage, they face a huge science penalty.

	21-06-2002 23:24									#18
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My color preference is basid on legibility and visibility. So I like white, yellow, cyan (lt. blue), green, and orange for ease of reading with my old, tired eyes.

But it doesn't end there. I'll pick almost any civ, regardless of color, if I'm in the mood for certain city name sequences. The only one I really hate is the Aztecs, cuz the city names are so odd and similar to each other.

Tlateloco, anyone?

	22-06-2002 00:29									#19
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as mentioned earlier the only true advantage to white is that you build wonders 1st.
most games i play white because i have been asked to by a certin host so he can rename his civ
i don't see many advantages but i live with it

	22-06-2002 01:11									#20
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quote: Originally posted by dabarono as mentioned earlier the only true advantage to white is that you build wonders 1st. most games i play white because i have been asked to by a certin host so he can rename his civ i don't see many advantages but i live with it

I fail to understand, how you can get to a wonder tech first if you face a science penalty no other player does?

	22-06-2002 04:11									#21
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Please explain this science penalty to us oh great one...

	22-06-2002 04:13									#22
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit The only one I really hate is the Aztecs, cuz the city names are so odd and similar to each other. Tlateloco, anyone?

Hehe, Tlatelolco was one of the few ones I remember.

	22-06-2002 05:05									#23
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quote: Originally posted by DrFell Please explain this science penalty to us oh great one...

I thought everyone know this already, you play white you beaker cost is higher then anyone elses to get a tech. Go to the civ2 strat section and read up on key civs.

	22-06-2002 13:25									#24
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Already know the key civ stuff, it all depends on what techs the other civs have and your power ratings. White doesn't have any disadvantage.

	22-06-2002 13:33									#25
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quote: Originally posted by DrFell Already know the key civ stuff, it all depends on what techs the other civs have and your power ratings. White doesn't have any disadvantage.

white always moves first, so its initial techs will have a penalty. If white discouvers alpha first its cheaper for all other civs etc. Go read the posts about never play romans or sioux.

	22-06-2002 15:11									#26
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You can change all the civ colors, not the turn order, by changing the colors on the cities.gif.

All this does is change the color of the flags, and the names of the cities and civs will appear in the new colors.

You can custom name the civ anything, and you can alter the city name list by changing the cities.txt.

Look at the attached cities.gif, the thing to change is in the lower left corner, the bar above the flag determins the civ color.

Attachment: cities.gif
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	23-06-2002 13:41									#27
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Damn and i liked the sioux too

	23-06-2002 20:32									#28
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quote: Originally posted by markusf white always moves first, so its initial techs will have a penalty. If white discouvers alpha first its cheaper for all other civs etc. Go read the posts about never play romans or sioux.

But you are assuming that just because white goes first, that they will be the first to the early sciences. If the second player (or any other) has better trade specials available....

	24-06-2002 03:08									#29
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with many of the players being great expanders, it really comes down to land, huts and guile....who goes first is irrelevant other than wonders and kings.....

the only question you need to ponder, is how far do i walk with that set.....do i take the land behind me to use trade specials or do i press on and hope i can block/find more land and backfill later.....its a toss up of course and depends on the proximity of your neighbors

	24-06-2002 04:24									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ming But you are assuming that just because white goes first, that they will be the first to the early sciences. If the second player (or any other) has better trade specials available....

test it out, the key civ thing goes by powergraph AND civ color.