22-06-2002 01:52									#1
	Unofficial: How should we prepare for war with France? Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Voice your opinions.

	22-06-2002 01:56									#2
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if your gonna do war, then do war right! i voted all of the above.

	22-06-2002 01:57									#3
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2 and 3; roads will take too long.

	22-06-2002 01:57									#4
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2 and 3 only, a road network is too expensive in that jungle. Which is, btw, the reason not to take our UU to attack.

	22-06-2002 02:23									#5
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2&3.

	22-06-2002 03:36									#6
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2&3, because fighting with Eli is stupid. he's an intelligent person and i value his opinion.

EDIT: i do think we should link up thebes and Apolyton.

	22-06-2002 03:47									#7
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Even if the road isn't finished, a partial will still help a lot.
What is not shown on the poll is to start scouting out the enempy so we know where to attack.

	22-06-2002 03:50									#8
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2&3

and Eli you should put this in your sig:

quote: fighting with Eli is stupid. he's an intelligent person and i value his opinion.

Btw, I agree about linking up thebes and apolyton.

I love the last opinion. Very catchy

	22-06-2002 04:42									#9
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2 people dont want war???

	22-06-2002 04:46									#10
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Humans are stubborn, and when we get into wars with the AI we like to fight until we win. We wonder why historically nations always lust for revenge (Revanchistes in France and the Nazis in Germany), and find out why when we get our border towns razed by a neighboring civ. If we're going to get into a war we ought to do it right (i.e., fast, brutal, and with permanent effects) so we're not the ones left feeling bitter. I'm all for building a big advanced army and stomping France. However, we will need roads too eventually, of the internal defence and reinforcement-highway varieties. I voted all 3.

At the very least vote 2&3

	22-06-2002 05:29									#11
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we should do all of the above. france must be crushed.

	22-06-2002 05:32									#12
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although i am 100% for war with France, the people who are opposed to it do have some decent arguments.

they're not opposing it to be d1cks, as much as it may appear so.

so, don't be afriad. if you voted no, explain why, so the people can hear you.

	22-06-2002 08:11									#13
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oh, i think we should wait a while for war but i voted for one of the yes options anyways...i thought this was what we wanted IF it were decided that we were going to war...good thing it's unofficial

	22-06-2002 11:54									#14
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Considering the AI start advantages at this level, I don't think we can win it, not yet anyway.

Let's find out the extent of their empire before we go trying to kick their b**t.

Once we see what we are against, then we can make informed decision on the likelihood of winning the war. I agree we need to link our cities.

	22-06-2002 12:22									#15
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I think it is premature to decide on war now. We must prepare as if it were to happen, but we must know more about them first.

Do you really think 3 or 4 undeveloped cities in a jungle will win a war on Emperor? 2? That's a laugh.

	22-06-2002 12:33									#16
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nye: 2 productive cities can win an ancient war on Emperor. That's not so hard. The AI builds, as always, 2 regular spearmen as defenders. Go with 6-7 vet units (archers/spears or swords) and take their capital. If you can, raze 1 more city. After 10 turns or if their counterattack arrives (given they already found you), make peace. They are willing after 8-10 turns of war, guaranteed. You'll get another city and 2-3 techs for peace, I bet.

	22-06-2002 13:24									#17
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Yes, but we've already wasted the second city, and delayed the third (to build workers to rescue the second).

	22-06-2002 13:53									#18
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I know it will prove a struggle, but a road network will prove essential with a war on France. We can't afford to be as hampered by the jungle as our enemies will be. As soon as we can get archers to the border en masse, we should treat Paris like a pin cushion. non?

	22-06-2002 13:58									#19
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quote: think it is premature to decide on war now. We must prepare as if it were to happen, but we must know more about them first.

quote: Considering the AI start advantages at this level, I don't think we can win it, not yet anyway.

i agree with these to statements fully. i'm going for peace for a while neway.

	22-06-2002 21:06									#20
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By the time we could build and transport our army to Paris, France will have had plenty of time to make more troops. Unless they stuck in the same jungle morass or similar terrain, it would be unlikely to be a successful campaign.

	22-06-2002 21:18									#21
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an opinion from a subject:

With our cities stuck in jungle and movement slow and production not as high as could be hoped, starting a war now is probably, as some say, unwise. perhaps being at peace with France we could win the ability to cross near their terrain and create better cities in more productive areas elsewere, which can then be used to create the army to destrot france.

	22-06-2002 21:22									#22
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1 and 3, with a "maybe" for 2.

We could use a road network anyway.

	22-06-2002 21:32									#23
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Yes, but we've already wasted the second city, and delayed the third (to build workers to rescue the second).

Alas, how could I forget this...

Vlad Antlerkov: I do not exactly get how we should prepare for war without building units?

	22-06-2002 22:09									#24
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We do need military units for one major reason now. The AI views civs with little military as easy pickings, not to be confused with Slim Pickens.

This is even more true at the higher levels. Building military units, whether or not the attack on France is done is just sound Civ 3 strategy.

	22-06-2002 22:12									#25
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War is essential. If we don't take the French lands now, we will be forever bottled in.

	22-06-2002 23:48									#26
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How do you propose we do it, then?

Consider how many units France started the game with, add the amount they have built since, factor in our current forces, the time to build more, the time to move them to the front, the amount France will have built by then.

	22-06-2002 23:56									#27
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The French are expanding like mad now and do not stockpile units. When we attack now (well, at least begin to prepare), they are weak. When we lose time, they will be strong.

	23-06-2002 00:18									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph The French are expanding like mad now and do not stockpile units. When we attack now (well, at least begin to prepare), they are weak. When we lose time, they will be strong.

i concur.

	23-06-2002 00:21									#29
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I have no problem expanding our military, as noted by my earlier comments.

I just want to make sure if we go to war, then we are capable of achieving whatever objectives we set.

We do need to know if France has the ability to make Military Alliances before we attack.

	24-06-2002 10:49									#30
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We cannot match the French production. We need to explore to see whether we are in fact bottled in or there is productive land available. If the latter is true, then we must act quickly to seize it. Otherwise we cannot match France and defeat will be likely. Yes, if we are confined to Notylopa by the French, then we will have to make due but lets find out more about our position.