22-06-2002 15:02									#31
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So all of the African and Asian teams didn't take their qualification matches seriously?

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Flubber, the second one wasn't offside, because the ball was played backwards. That was an horrific decision, but it did not cost Spain the match.

	22-06-2002 15:03									#33
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Yes, we should call it the Italian Cup perhaps? A very small cup indeed.

	22-06-2002 15:03									#34
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I thought both teams played good defense and lacked a finishing touch around the net . .

I thought the referee was both good and fair . . . he let a lot of stuff go on both sides . . . unlike the parades of red and yellow cards I have seen in other games

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quote: Originally posted by Chris Wilkinson Errr...so just because they come from these nations they shouldn't be able to be a referee? Good one.

I though that what matters in a world cup is having the best possible referees.
I find it kind difficult that the above referees qualify for that possition...

	22-06-2002 15:04									#36
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: So what makes a serious match then? CL is a good example

You mean like how the referees tend to give dodgy decisions for 'better' teams in the group stages? Great example.

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if you feel so strong about it, i'd love to see a comparison of how many international matches a UAE ref has played this year versus a european ref playing in CL

	22-06-2002 15:06									#38
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Wow, these excuses miss the goal as often as do Spain and Italy! LOL!

	22-06-2002 15:08									#39
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http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/t/rf/28016.html - a lot of experience

	22-06-2002 15:09									#40
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII Yes, I have. I remember one very clearly, a few years ago, when either Wimbledon or Crystal Palace were playing (it was at Selhurst Park), when the corner was taken and before it reached the penalty box the final whistle was blown. There have been others since then, but that stuck in my head.

Strange, I haven't seen anyone...

It might be in the rules but it is common practice leaving such phases to continue.

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quote: Originally posted by Keygen It might be in the rules but it is common practice leaving such phases to continue.

At a world cup, I suspect they would prefer tp go by the rules-- Can you imagine the protest if a goal was scored 30 seconds after the end of time if the rules are as clear as JohnIII indicates on this point ??

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quote: Originally posted by Chris Wilkinson So all of the African and Asian teams didn't take their qualification matches seriously?

Chill out boy. I am refering to the referees and not to the teams. FYI I enjoyed Senegal for their qualification and beleive that they deserved it.

	22-06-2002 15:14									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen Chill out boy. I am refering to the referees and not to the teams. FYI I enjoyed Senegal for their qualification and beleive that they deserved it.

So who refereed their qualification matches, then? They had to be serious referees, surely, but they couldn't be African or Asian, because they don't have good referees.

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To some of these sore losers, rules don't matter. A waning European delusion of grandeur, however, seems unbearable.

	22-06-2002 15:14									#45
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Yes, we should call it the Italian Cup perhaps? A very small cup indeed.

what was that nuke?

	22-06-2002 15:18									#46
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII So who refereed their qualification matches, then? They had to be serious referees, surely, but they couldn't be African or Asian, because they don't have good referees.

I can imagine some African and Asian countries with tradition in football having good referees but I doubt that Uganda or Trinidad can have better referees than Europe or South America.

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Hmmm On the telecast i saw, both of the "clear goals" were offside. They did a slo-mo replay and it was crystal clear that the Spanish player was offside. IIRC in one of them, 2 players were offside. Last I checked, offside is a universal rule and not specially created to screw European teams

I disagree. Both goals where clear.
Besides they were not wistled as offsite.
The first was wistled as offencive foul and the second as out.

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber At a world cup, I suspect they would prefer tp go by the rules-- Can you imagine the protest if a goal was scored 30 seconds after the end of time if the rules are as clear as JohnIII indicates on this point ??

You're right but as long as it happens in all games and not some...

	22-06-2002 15:24									#49
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About the second goal that was cancelled.

The referee made a bad call; it was cancelled because he thought the ball was over the line (and hence not for off-side), which it clearly was not.

However, the whistle came early and the Korean goalie stopped playing! If you watch the replays he is very well positioned and could easily have saved the header.

Too bad he didn't. That would have saved us from what surely will be a Spanish outcry à l'Italia...

BTW, did Spain support Blatter or not?

Carolus

	22-06-2002 15:40									#50
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 To some of these sore losers, rules don't matter. A waning European delusion of grandeur, however, seems unbearable.

Boy, I thing you're loosing it
First, we have been kicking your arce in football for ages.
Second, I team up with Brazil and not Europe. The only team that would make me see it equally with Brazil was Italy but they are out

So now before you jump into illusionary concusions go and see the two Spanish goals if they were clear and if that would have taken them to the semi-finals.

Korea is a good team and if those two Spanish goals hadn't been scored I would congratulate you.
I like Korea much but if I were you I wouldn't enjoy my team's winning so much...

And as I said I enjoyed Senegal and they fairly kicked the arse of France and Sweden
I would like to had seen South Africa and Argentina in the 16 as well just to let you know that I don't blindy keep up with everything that is Europe.

	22-06-2002 15:41									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex BTW, did Spain support Blatter or not?

Obviously not

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quote: http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/t/rf/28016.html - a lot of experience

according to that page he played 5 games in 2001 and none in 2002

btw

quote: Referee since 1 January 1990 First International: Pakistan : Jordan (10 April 1988)

so he first started playing as a ref and then he actually became one?!?!?!?

more data please....

	22-06-2002 15:59									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Angelo Scotto SEVERAL DAYS AGO!!! ...What about celebrating every goal of Spain (they'll come, the only doubt is if the referee will confirm them or not)...

Now i'm going to be the next Nostradamus (ok, ok it was an easy prediction...)

quote: Originally posted by JohnIII You obviously don't know the laws of the game, then.

quote: Originally posted by JohnIII Of course, your previous posts are telling me that you don't watch much football, don't know the laws of the game...

Reading your previous posts he's not the only one...
Anyway it's strange that the referee was so meticulous in applying this rule forgetting all the others, it's something that make you think

quote: Originally posted by yin26 "...need more space on the servers for the flood of lame excuses coming in..."

...need more space on the referee's home for the flood of money coming in...

quote: Originally posted by JohnIII I'm really getting sick of all these people moaning about the referee because their team lost. Your team could still have won.

In another thread i raised precise technical refereeing questions and the only thing you're able to say now is that people is moaning just because their team lost?
Yeah, yeah, it's due to people like you that FIFA is allowed to play so dirty tricks... (or to act in so incompetent way, choose the one do you prefer)

Anyway it's not my business (it's seems to be a Korean one ), let's go Korea! win this World Cup! you'll de$erved it, but who will raise it to the sky? the captain or the referee?

	22-06-2002 16:01									#54
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and yes, he has played important matches like Costa Rica vs Honduras, USA vs Trinidad and Tobago, Thailand vs Iran and Bahrain vs Saudi Arabia

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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: Referee since 1 January 1990 First International: Pakistan : Jordan (10 April 1988) so he first started playing as a ref and then he actually became one?!?!?!? more data please....

Go on, find it yourself. Referee data is very hard to find.

Angelo, are you still banging on about this great conspiracy against Europe?

	22-06-2002 16:41									#56
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quote: Go on, find it yourself. Referee data is very hard to find.

i'm not the one arguing that these ref do have experience
do you want me to search for something that i'm saying that it doesnt exist????

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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII Go on, find it yourself. Referee data is very hard to find.

Therefore easy to claim whatever you want

	22-06-2002 17:18									#58
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: Go on, find it yourself. Referee data is very hard to find. i'm not the one arguing that these ref do have experience do you want me to search for something that i'm saying that it doesnt exist????

Well, you dismissed a large amount of major tournament experience, including several world cups, out of hand.

	22-06-2002 17:37									#59
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The most experienced referees are not chosen on a worldwide basis. They're chosen for their Fifa experience within a region. The standard of refereeing has been poor at this WC especially for assistant referees and it has tainted the success of Korea (who are a pretty good team). Even the president of Fifa has said the refereeing has been poor.

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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII Angelo, are you still banging on about this great conspiracy against Europe?

John, are you still banging on about this WC having a superb refereeing?

Greetings,
Angelo