22-06-2002 17:50									#61
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The referee made one bad call because the lineman raised his flag. Even if that mistake wasn't make there is no guarantee that Spain would score a goal off it as Carolus Rex pointed out. If Spain were really that good, how come they didn't score any goal during both extra and regular time? It was a Spanish player who missed his penalty kick while the Koreans scored all theirs.

Even though I picked Spain as the WC winner, credit must be given when it is due.

	22-06-2002 18:18									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger The referee made one bad call because the lineman raised his flag. Even if that mistake wasn't make there is no guarantee that Spain would score a goal off it as Carolus Rex pointed out.

He made two bad calls. Each one cost a score to Spain.

quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger If Spain were really that good, how come they didn't score any goal during both extra and regular time? It was a Spanish player who missed his penalty kick while the Koreans scored all theirs.

Nobody in the thread has said that Spain was that good yet. Certainly not me. Both teams were simply good with Spain in my opinion better. Yes, Spain did a bad game with Ireland and the latter should have won but Spain played well (not excellent) in the rest of her games.


I believe that Korea was greatly favored:

a) Spain - Korea

Two cancelled Spanish goals.

b) Korea - Italy

One cancelled Italian goal, one disputed penalty for Italy (From the replay I saw it seemed it was a panalty but not 100% sure), one Italian player out (unfair in case it was a penalty indeed).

c) Portugal - Korea

Two Portuguese players out, the one pretty early unfairly with direct red card (I've seen at list 20 fouls like that already) and the other with two yellow cards with the second one completely unfairly.

	22-06-2002 18:25									#63
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Korea is a very crappy team. I am so furious... this is it... MY COUNTRY WILL JOIN THIS RAGE!

Spain is an good team, we got excellent home teams sometimes we don't do so well overseas when a Worldcup occurs. But we certainly did won the game against Korea.

Now no matter what some of you people say, this world cup has been FIXED. And I got the evidence to back this up.

	22-06-2002 18:33									#64
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No you don't. And you should have been beaten by Ireland.

	22-06-2002 18:37									#65
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Every Spanish tear in this World Cup is as sweet, sweet nectar from Heaven!

	22-06-2002 18:42									#66
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YOU KNOW WE WON THIS. KOREA FIXED THIS GAME. THEY SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED.

	22-06-2002 18:45									#67
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Every Spanish tear in this World Cup is as sweet, sweet nectar from Heaven!

Now that is surely a sovereign attitude
I though that was privilege of nordic nations only

	22-06-2002 18:47									#68
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Sweet...

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	22-06-2002 19:10									#69
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If you want to see real bad referering, come and watch the 2nd division here. Then you lot would stop complaining.

	22-06-2002 20:32									#70
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 To some of these sore losers, rules don't matter. A waning European delusion of grandeur, however, seems unbearable.

says a nation that has to hire an european coach, bribe referees and bend the tournament 'tree' so as to play every game at home.

	22-06-2002 20:34									#71
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HILARIOUS!

	22-06-2002 20:37									#72
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yin, that's a man in the photo that you characterize as "sweet"!!!!!!

	22-06-2002 20:58									#73
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well yin, just watch it. try stealing the game against germany and you better dont send your team to germany 2006

oh yes, korean political corectness....apparently, korean fans are the best. what about those 'korea is the tomb of the azzuri' posts? why not 'korea is the graveyard of koreans'? (more accurate) if we made any postsigns like that on european games in europe, we'd be fined....

	22-06-2002 21:07									#74
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World Cup 2002 was an excellent story. We saw more upsets then ever before, and a lessening of the gaps between the best teams and the rest of the world.

Not to mention Korea's awesome run!

	22-06-2002 21:18									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen He made two bad calls. Each one cost a score to Spain.

Incorrect. The most you can claim is each bad call costed a potential score for Spain. I didn't see two bad calls, only the one where the inside ball was mistaken to be outside.

	22-06-2002 22:30									#76
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Look, the second 'goal' would not have been scored even if the linesman had said the ball was in, because the keeper would have saved it.

	22-06-2002 23:11									#77
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i dont think the keeper was watching for the linesman to make a decision at the time

	22-06-2002 23:22									#78
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Ah, the glory of international forums. I never knew quite how strong the tradition of whining was! I mean, some whining ("The Hand of God") is acceptable, but everytime somebody gets eliminated? Come on, there can only be 1 World Cup champion, so in all likelihood your team will be defeated by somebody else. In a tournament, somebody has to lose... and it doesn't require an anti-Europe conspiracy to insure that almost every European team loses! They'll almost all lose anyway (and if a non-European team wins it, they all do!)!

	22-06-2002 23:39									#79
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snowfire, there's no smoke without a fire i dont think there was much of what you call "whining" after the england-brazil or germany-usa matches, simply because the outcome was fair

	23-06-2002 02:04									#80
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I am no longer angry... I am just upset and down.

I hope this gets resolved fairly because it has been anything BUT fair.

Italy and Spain were unfairly thrown out by idiotic referees. That is deeply depressing. Has game fixing become a standard?

	23-06-2002 03:33									#81
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quote: Originally posted by SnowFire Come on, there can only be 1 World Cup champion, so in all likelihood your team will be defeated by somebody else. In a tournament, somebody has to lose...

Wow, you know so much about football!
Does really someone has to lose for the other one to win? Wow, I didn't know that! Thanks for letting me know about it

	23-06-2002 03:50									#82
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I'm not really good with authorities in real life, but I completely agree with Mark's arguments on page 1 of this thread. It seems to be an accepted new FIFA rule to say that good teams who don't play well are not allowed to score

No matter how bad the Portuguese, Italians and Spanish played: The only reason why South Korea is still in are the bad referees, or better said: the bribed linesmen

	23-06-2002 04:00									#83
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quote: Originally posted by SnowFire and it doesn't require an anti-Europe conspiracy to insure that almost every European team loses!

Yes, it does
That's all the fuzz about.
With the exeption that it wasn't an anti-Europe conspiracy but rather the fact that Korea was favored.

It just happened that European teams faced that fact.
The same would have happened if non-European teams had faced Korea instead and I surely would have post this thread no matter who would had faced the same fate.

France, England, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, Russia, Ireland, Slovenia, Poland, Croatia are all European teams that fairly lost and went home. Nobody complained. All the fuzz is for the teams that faced Korea.

So cut the bull because the rest teams won their qualification with their value and it's a disgrace that they will face a team that didn't...

	23-06-2002 06:32									#84
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I admit Spain and Italy had much better years.... but South Korea was no match and shouldn't even be playing now. I say launch an investigation into this and you idiots who say "Oh nothing is wrong" will be stunned at what kind of crap they would find. Pay-offs the Koreans made, fixing... etc.

	23-06-2002 08:24									#85
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As much as I'd like to see Korea have a shot at the Cup (pulling it away from European and South American domination, ) I have to say that Spain got the short end of the stick. Their two disallowed goals were legitimate, and either one would have won them the game, which was lost on penalty kicks. Although I wouldn't blame bribed refs, but rather on their inability to see each play accurately, and a decision made on a lack of complete evidence.

	24-06-2002 05:46									#86
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Did Corea win clean? yes.

Did Corea deserve to win? yes. (even tough they sucked, they fought hard)

Did Corea played better than Spain? no. Anyone who saw the game can tell that Corean team was weaker than the Spanish one.

Was the referre bribed by Corea? I dont know, but there is no such evidence.

Did the referre commit mistakes? IMO while many of the "mistakes" could be a mistake or not, but the second "possible goal" for Spain was truly a mistake. But is this a Corean fault? Well, yes if the Coreans bribed the referre.

	24-06-2002 05:57									#87
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We'll see if you're right on Tuesday....