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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:20
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Originally posted by Asher
Hey Tingkai, here's a newsflash for you.
While I live in Canada, and while I pay taxes towards Canada, this is my government.
While I live in the USA, and while I pay taxes towards USA, that is my government.
I live in Canada, so this is my government.
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Hey troll, Newsflash. There's more than just paying taxes to define "your government." You hold citizenship in both countries, they're both your government. If you don't pay taxes, it is still your government.
All you're doing with this thread is being a troll.
And even if you hold a Canadian passport, we all know that what you think of your fellow Canadians and what you think about the country so your opinion doesn't really matter.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:20
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Originally posted by Tingkai
Hey troll, Newsflash. There's more than just paying taxes to define "your government." You hold citizenship in both countries, they're both your government. If you don't pay taxes, it is still your government. |
If that's how you want to define it, sure.
But since I didn't elect that government, I don't pay taxes towards that government, nor do I live in the area where that government has jurisdiction -- it's not my government.
It seems you have some fundamental problems differenciating between if it's my government or my country. There is a difference, you know.
And if you'd look at your comments, you'd see that you're the one that's being the troll, Tingkai. 
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And even if you hold a Canadian passport, we all know that what you think of your fellow Canadians and what you think about the country so your opinion doesn't really matter. |
Are you in tears posting this or something?
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:20
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Originally posted by Asher
If that's how you want to define it, sure.
But since I didn't elect that government, I don't pay taxes towards that government, nor do I live in the area where that government has jurisdiction -- it's not my government.
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This isn't about how I see it, this is the basics of citizenship 101. You are an American citizen. As such, the American government is your government. Your decision not to vote doesn't change anything. The fact that you don't pay taxes, doesn't change anything. The fact that you don't live in the States doesn't change anything. As long as you claim American citizenship, the American government is your government.
That's the way the US gov't sees it. You are liable for US income taxes, if you earn over a certain amount, regardless of where you live and regardless of whether you voted in the last election. As far as the folks in Washington see, they are your government.
This is simple stuff that you should have learned in high school.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:20
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Originally posted by Tingkai
This isn't about how I see it, this is the basics of citizenship 101. You are an American citizen. As such, the American government is your government. Your decision not to vote doesn't change anything. The fact that you don't pay taxes, doesn't change anything. The fact that you don't live in the States doesn't change anything. As long as you claim American citizenship, the American government is your government. |
Tingkai, you've got some really strange ideas.
I am a citizen of both countries, but "my government" is the one I elect, I pay taxes to, and the one I live under. While the American government may technically also be my government, it has absolutely nothing to do with my life or my money, so I don't consider it my government unless it does.
I only have one government at a time, Tingkai, but I have two citizenships. Citizenships just let me choose which government I want, not give me both.
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That's the way the US gov't sees it. You are liable for US income taxes, if you earn over a certain amount, regardless of where you live and regardless of whether you voted in the last election. As far as the folks in Washington see, they are your government. |
It's quite clear to me you don't understand how US/Canadian dual citizenship works if you actually think I pay US taxes of any kind while in Canada.
I am for all intents and purposes a Canadian citizen and a Canadian resident right now, and my government is the Canadian government. If I lived in the US, it'd be the other way around. It's not both. Very simple concept, something you should be able to figure out even without high school. 
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:20
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Originally posted by SpencerH
Not from where I sit. As far as I can tell, a canadian scientist working in the US would take a 40-50% salary drop to work in Canada. |
Yeah, it's really obvious here in Alberta as well about all the people leaving south of the border. It seems a lot of people come to Alberta from other provinces, then eventually end up going farther south from here once they see the difference in salaries, not to mention the lower taxes.
In 3 years I will be joining the people flowing south as well. But if you listen to the Federal Government/socialists, the Brain Drain is a myth. But it exists in several areas: From Saskatchewan (even BC?) to Alberta, and from Canada as a whole south of the border.
Last edited by Asher on 24-06-2002 at 03:13
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Originally posted by GP
We've got a large software industry here....come to papa. |
Ya all people with over 5 years experience go to the US.
hmm we can work in canada for 50 grand a year, or go to the US and work for $70-90 US an hour..
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:20
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Originally posted by Asher
I only have one government at a time, Tingkai, but I have two citizenships. Citizenships just let me choose which government I want, not give me both.
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Grasp a simple concept: dual citizenship allows you to choose the country you want to live in, but you're stuck with both governments.
You don't get to claim Canadian (or American) citizenship and then turn it on and off whenever you feel like it.
You have the right and responsibility to vote in American and Canadian elections. The fact that you decided not to vote doesn't change anything. An American living in the United States who does not vote doesn't get to claim that "I didn't vote for them so they're not my government."
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Originally posted by Asher
It's quite clear to me you don't understand how US/Canadian dual citizenship works if you actually think I pay US taxes of any kind while in Canada.
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Did I say you did? No.
You obviously don't know that any American living outside the United States who earns more than $70,000 must pay American income tax regardless of whether they have paid another country's income tax.
The Canadian government is considering a similar tax law.
Wake up to realities of dual citizenship.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:20
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Originally posted by Tingkai
Grasp a simple concept: dual citizenship allows you to choose the country you want to live in, but you're stuck with both governments. |
Allows being the key word.
I actually can't vote for American elections while I live in Canada, if you must know.
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You don't get to claim Canadian (or American) citizenship and then turn it on and off whenever you feel like it. |
I'm not doing any such thing.
For **** sake Tingkai, it's VERY simple. While I live in Canada, elect this government, pay taxes to this government -- THIS IS MY GOVERNMENT. Whether I have CITIZENSHIP so if I lived there I COULD elect that government/pay taxes to that government, THAT would be my government.
It's so very simple and you try to make it so very complicated.
Stop being so damn high on yourself.
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You have the right and responsibility to vote in American and Canadian elections. |
Incorrect, I can't vote in American elections while I live in Canada. It's one of the "restrictions" of dual citizenship.
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The fact that you decided not to vote doesn't change anything. An American living in the United States who does not vote doesn't get to claim that "I didn't vote for them so they're not my government." |
You clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about.
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You obviously don't know that any American living outside the United States who earns more than $70,000 must pay American income tax regardless of whether they have paid another country's income tax. |
So how come our family doesn't pay any US income tax at all, Tingkai? Hmm?  My mom's a dual, she makes over $70, she doesn't pay a cent in US income tax.
Did you read that law very carefully?
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Wake up to realities of dual citizenship. |
I would suggest you do your research before telling me about something you clearly know nothing about.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:20
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Originally posted by Starchild
To back up Tingkai a bit on the dual citizenship/government aspect, though from a slightly different perspective:
It states quite clearly in my British passport that the British government cannot protect dual citizens from the authority of their other nation. So, in theory, if I was a British and a Canadian citizen and I was living in Britain, AND Canada wanted to draft me/make me pay taxes/etc, I'd have to. The Canadian government would still be governing me outside Canada. |
Yeah, that much is common sense. But there are specific restrictions stating that, as a dual citizen in Canada, I cannot vote for American elections as long as I live here as a dual citizen, and I don't pay any American taxes.
Tingkai seems to be basing his "opinion" on outdated information or simply pulling it out of his ass. I've lived my life as a dual citizen, lived in both countries as a dual citizen, and we've discussed the issue with accountants (who do the taxes) as well as done the research on voting privledges.
Simply put, a lot of the "rights" of citizenship are provisional based upon where you currently reside. It's almost like having a "Primary" and "Secondary" citizenship, at least with US/Canada.
Last edited by Asher on 24-06-2002 at 07:38
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