27-06-2002 04:54									#61
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Capitalists are potentially useful people, even in capitalism.

	27-06-2002 05:17									#62
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Sell out!

	27-06-2002 05:49									#63
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DAl - you didn't starve.

But people did starve and die in the 20s and 30s.

Planned economy and quotas are bad stuff.

I mean, they have it's use, but don't let them take over.

	27-06-2002 05:51									#64
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And Dal - think about this one.

People were quite poor.

Just look at Russian TV and compare the russian standard of living (mostly a relic from communism) to Western standard of living.

	27-06-2002 05:53									#65
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Don't listen to the damn dirty commies. Become an anarchist!

	27-06-2002 06:06									#66
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I always wondered, why are commies so dirty? They have showers, right?

	27-06-2002 06:22									#67
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They're only less dirty than capitalists.

	27-06-2002 06:23									#68
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Capitalists are very clean. They have the best showers .

	27-06-2002 06:30									#69
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*Looks at Cuba and then the rest of Latin America.*

	27-06-2002 07:07									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You traitor to the cause!!

Che is a weak communist. He should be subjected to harsh, directed self-criticism.

	27-06-2002 07:09									#71
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I hate criticism (of me).

	27-06-2002 07:10									#72
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You will have to deal

COMMIE INTERVENTION!

	27-06-2002 07:17									#73
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Oh hell. Dude, do have any idea how evil those things are? That's why I'm not in any commie organization anymore. Cultish fekkers.

	27-06-2002 07:18									#74
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Well, what is a good Commie party without brainwashing?

	27-06-2002 07:22									#75
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It's not really brainwashing. You submit to it willingly, and you go along with it because the cult is threatening to withhold something important to you, membership in the group. I never had a "group" session, but I did have one of my comrades repeatedly pull this crap on me. However, he foolishly tried it on me as I was begining to build my own ideas on Marxism. Hence it merely made me laugh and leave the group.

	27-06-2002 07:25									#76
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quote: But people did starve and die in the 20s and 30s.

And 10s and 00s and 90s and 80s... and since the beginning of time.

quote: People were quite poor.

Define poor. Define poverty...

Dal, what was the education and health care like in the old USSR?

	27-06-2002 07:31									#77
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Dal was 5 when the Wall went down...

	27-06-2002 07:33									#78
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He can ask his father then.

	27-06-2002 07:34									#79
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Yeah, but the USSR lived for two years after the fall of the wall.

	27-06-2002 08:09									#80
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ok...he was 7. Still need to run and ask Daddie!

	27-06-2002 10:57									#81
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quote: Capitalists are very clean. They have the best showers

Capitalists have good showers that'll break apart quite soon to make them to buy a new one.
Communists have worse showers which will (have to) work for decades.

	27-06-2002 13:24									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Well, franky, the commies were very good at getting at the root of corporate corruption. You could often see the bodies of the capitalist pig looters slowly twisting in the wind at the end of a rope. Well, the way a lot of American feel today about Enron, ImClone and Wordcom, perhaps we ought to emulate the communists at least in terms of remedies.

Well, Ned like I said, I don't fully support the communistic cause (sorry Che!) but I think that right now, they are the closest political entity that parallels my ideals. The American "big business profit-mongers" seems to be running rampant amonst the populace and this seems , IMHO, to be the main cause of the average Americans plight amongst the wealthy.

I mean, if Martha Stewart can ditch her stocks and save beacoup bucks and the average American family loses thousands, shouldn't someone in the top 5% pay?

	27-06-2002 15:25									#83
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If you want to lose faith in anything after Enron & Co, it should be Corrupt Crony Capitalism.

If the government were doing its job of enforcing the laws equally, there would be no impunity for theft above a certain treshold.

	27-06-2002 15:59									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's This might be true at the moment, but we're not living in a capitalist system.

If we were it'd be worse. Poorer kids wouldn't even get the basic education and healthcare they get now.

	27-06-2002 16:42									#85
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quote: Define poor. Define poverty... Dal, what was the education and health care like in the old USSR?

Education was superb, and healthcare was good too. there was a problem with medical equipment, but there were cheap drugs.

Siro : compare the living standarts of capitalist russia to the living standarts of the soviet union.

Che : I know that they weren't rich. but the homes weren't a part of a corruption in the govt. system . they were a part of the govt. plan.

	27-06-2002 17:04									#86
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quote: Originally posted by frankychan Well, Ned like I said, I don't fully support the communistic cause (sorry Che!) but I think that right now, they are the closest political entity that parallels my ideals. The American "big business profit-mongers" seems to be running rampant amonst the populace and this seems , IMHO, to be the main cause of the average Americans plight amongst the wealthy. I mean, if Martha Stewart can ditch her stocks and save beacoup bucks and the average American family loses thousands, shouldn't someone in the top 5% pay?

Ah - ha! They are all guilty, so why not just confiscate their entire paycheck and distribute it to the poor!

We can save the more severe penalties for the few who attempt to quit.

	27-06-2002 17:50									#87
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I should probably bother to read the rest of this thread soon.

Oh well. I'm just sick of people confusing capitalism with corporatism.

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	27-06-2002 18:07									#88
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH If we were it'd be worse. Poorer kids wouldn't even get the basic education and healthcare they get now.

Why do you think this?

	27-06-2002 18:13									#89
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Because people are selfish.

	27-06-2002 18:17									#90
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Because people are selfish.

Self-interested definitely...