30-06-2002 22:00									#61
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quote: Of course I would, and I remember seeing a few commercials in the past that did that, too.

Now if you did show us also the outrage and backlash in the media from the womens groups about it. Don't kid yourself it was massive and loud....

Now the reverse and you see no harm? Some men simply have no clue.

	30-06-2002 22:59									#62
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Again, Asher, it's a matter of the context in which it is portrayed. I doubt blackice would have a problem with a portrayl of a woman abusing her spouse if the woman doing it was portrayed as a bad person doing something wrong, as would be done if it were showing a man abusing his wife. It is important that domestic abuse not be taken in a lighthearted manner, becasue there are many stupid people who might not hold the strong belief that a man shouldn't hit his wife/girlfriend. If anything, there are probably more people out there who feel it is ok for a woman to strike her husband/boyfriend.

	30-06-2002 23:01									#63
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The context? That's exactly right.

It's a humorous BEER COMMERCIAL.

Context is everything.

	30-06-2002 23:27									#64
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quote: Context is everything.

You should tell that to a radicle fem chat room Asher. I mean go for it go to their chat and tell them heh it's just a commerical. Good luck and don't say i did not warn you.

So in your world if I put a commercial on of a man slapping a woman because she took his last Bud that would be ok?

Welcome to the real world Asher it is not ok in either light.

I have to ask why so many men think it is ok to abuse men?

The world you seek is that men can be abused and women not. This I do not want to teach kids you?

	30-06-2002 23:33									#65
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Hey, I'm not saying my opinions are that of the real world.

My opinions frequently differ from that of most of the rest of the world.

If you consider a small little slap abuse, perhaps you need some help, da?

quote: The world you seek is that men can be abused and women not. This I do not want to teach kids you?

When did I ever say anything remotely close to that?

	30-06-2002 23:39									#66
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Now if you did show us also the outrage and backlash in the media from the womens groups about it. Don't kid yourself it was massive and loud....

I bet there was - just like your own griping.

There's always people who feel the need to complain about every trivial little thing they see on TV.

quote: You should tell that to a radicle fem chat room Asher. I mean go for it go to their chat and tell them heh it's just a commerical. Good luck and don't say i did not warn you.

Why would he need to? He's already gotten the reaction out of a radical 'male rights activist'

quote: So in your world if I put a commercial on of a man slapping a woman because she took his last Bud that would be ok?

I don't see anythign wrong with that. Hell, I'd be surprised if such a commercial doesn't already exist.

	01-07-2002 05:08									#67
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Im with Osweld, since when did men becoem such pu$$ies? I dont consider a slap in the face to be abuse unless more of a punch. Along time ago I was smacked in the face and kicked in the nuts by an X for percieved cheating . I honestly sucked it up and never saw her again.

When the slap becomes a fist that bruises, then its abuse.

	01-07-2002 06:25									#68
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I think the two of you have made as**es of yourself enough no comment. Osweld, Asher.

Yes faded men get accused of abuse by reacting to the slap many times. Wrong place wrong mood. The point is assault is assault in the eyes of the law. I have had a few face slaps too and took it with male honor and pride. It does not make it right and should not be condoned. It is not a question of the archaic p**ies bit faded. it is about equal rights.

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quote: Originally posted by blackice I think the two of you have made as**es of yourself enough no comment. Osweld, Asher. Yes faded men get accused of abuse by reacting to the slap many times. Wrong place wrong mood. The point is assault is assault in the eyes of the law. I have had a few face slaps too and took it with male honor and pride. It does not make it right and should not be condoned.

blackice, you don't get it.

I don't care for this "men can't hit women but women can't hit men" ****. I don't accept that either.

I don't hit people unless I'm hit first. If a woman hits me, she'll get hit with the same amount of force.

If that makes me an ass, so be it. I'm not going to take **** from someone because they're female or male. I'm an equal opportunity guy.

I think the people who complain about commercials like this need some serious help with some emotional issues, because it's just a small slap. Anyone sane who's seen the commercial could tell you that. It wouldn't even make the skin red.

You guys are starting to remind me of the feminists you were just whining about. Oh well.

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Soon you will find out your slap ends you in the slammer.
Don't say I did not warn you. As far as getting it
Give it up even after all this time your research is non exsistant. Your comments immature and lack reality,

	01-07-2002 06:39									#71
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I stay out of relationships, blackice.

	01-07-2002 06:41									#72
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Smart move Asher when the right one comes along you will know.

	03-07-2002 02:33									#73
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I think it is OK for women to hit men.

Makes up for thousands of years of men hitting women



I have similar views about rape

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quote: Let me begin by saying thank you for taking the time to contact us. We take your concerns, and those of all our customers, very seriously. This commercial has resulted in a wide range of reaction, some good and some not. Although it was intended to be humorous, we respect that it may not have been perceived this way by some viewers and have taken steps to respond to these concerns. The commercial will be no longer be on air by July 10, and in the meantime will only be on minimal, late night rotation. Again, we thank your for sharing your concerns with us. Regards, Bob Chant Director, Public Affairs Labatt Breweries Ontario 416-235-2208 office 416-617-6779 mobile 416-240-3156 fax

Two things to read from this response to my complaint. One the commercial will not be aired while children can see it as it should have been in the first place. And two it will be discontinued meaning more negative complaints than positive.

	05-07-2002 07:07									#75
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You're a punk, Asher.

	05-07-2002 07:08									#76
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And I do not mean that in the nicest possible way.

	05-07-2002 07:11									#77
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last time i checked, slapping does not always equal to hitting....

	05-07-2002 07:21									#78
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It is in Canada an assualt and will and does constitute domestic violence, expultion from school etc. It is also simple bad behavior

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I agree with Blackice on this one.

A major difference between general violence in movies and this commerical is the question of what is acceptable. There was a time when slapping a woman was considered acceptable. Now it is not. The same cannot be said about women hitting men. This commercial reinforces the idea that it is okay for women to hit men. By getting Labatt to drop the ad, we send the message that this behaviour is not acceptable.

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President You're a punk, Asher.

I'll take that in the nicest way possible, since I think you're an uninformed idiot.

	05-07-2002 09:42									#81
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"The context? That's exactly right.

It's a humorous BEER COMMERCIAL.

Context is everything."

Of course. By being in a humorous beer commercial, it treats domestic violence as a humorous subject.


Blackice. Good to see you got them to stop doing it.

	05-07-2002 09:46									#82
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Have you seen the commercial, Shi?

If this sets a precedent we should outlaw any commercials involving:

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now that's just silly

	05-07-2002 10:56									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Asher If this sets a precedent we should outlaw any commercials involving: Any kind of racing -- this teaches people to race cars, which can lead to death since it's "dangerous"

There are limits to freedom of speech. An ad showing a car zooming down a highway is generally considered acceptable. But there would be objections to an ad showing a car racing down a street in a residential area.

More importantly, no one forced Labatt to drop the ad. People like Blackice simply exercised their freedom of speech and told Labatts what they thought of the ad. Labatts exercised its freedom and pulled the ad.

	05-07-2002 20:13									#85
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quote: If the commerical involved actually smacking the man to the point of being considered actual abuse (this wouldn't even fly in a courtroom, as much as blackice would like to admit), then it'd have grounds. It simply doesn't.

Asher it is assualt you need to refresh yourself on the laws.

quote: Assault The touching of another person with an intent to harm, without that person's consent.

quote: Any type of intentional and unwanted force applied to another person constitutes assault under section 265 of the Criminal Code. This section could be used for the most serious to the less serious forms of assault. A simple nudge is an assault.

I suppose you could argue she did not want to hurt him, she just slapped him because he and she thought it would be funny. Of course that is not what the commercial suggested is it... Under section 265 it is assualt period Asher.

In Ontario and other provinces and countries. A threat is violence let alone a slap especially in DV laws. It is real simple Asher it is not ok for a man to hit a woman and it is NOT ok for a woman to hit a man simple really.

The point you are missing is this commercial was aired while kids are watching T.V. If a kid goes to school and "slaps" another kid they are suspended. Their defence I saw it on T.V. so it must be ok?

Asher womens' group have successfully blocked, stopped, shaped the ad industry to not "promote" violence against women in this fashion. I say we should not promote violence against any sex period. Especially on prime time. I guess labatts agrees.

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Well put Blackice.

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By the way, i'm very pleased that our correspondences with Labatt have resulted in victory. This is a great day for male rights.

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I don't understand why people are being inconsistent on this - if you think that a slap on the cheek in a beer commercial is a bad influence, why the hell don't you think the beer commercial is a bad influence, period? What about all of the other violence and "suggestive content" in the media? Far be it for me to presume (But I have to, since this question has been asked dozens of times in this thread and no one has really responded to it.), but I'm pretty sure that most of the people arguing against this would be up in arms if they tried to censor all forms of violence and "suggestive behaviour" in the media.


A kid can play a game where she kills people by the hundreds, she can watch a cartoon where people beat each other up for amusement, she can watch a movie that's nothign but non-stop action and violence. But she can't watch a woman give her husband a slap on the cheek. Do you not mind your daughter growing up into some sort of serial killer, so long as she isn't going to slap her husband?

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quote: Originally posted by blackice Asher it is assualt you need to refresh yourself on the laws.

Ever heard of the phrase "spirit of the law".

quote: I suppose you could argue she did not want to hurt him, she just slapped him because he and she thought it would be funny. Of course that is not what the commercial suggested is it... Under section 265 it is assualt period Asher.

Alright, and should we also ban content that involves the ritualistic slapping-on-the-back?
How about poking? Is poking assault?
Christ, how do these kids manage to live in conditions like this?!

quote: The point you are missing is this commercial was aired while kids are watching T.V. If a kid goes to school and "slaps" another kid they are suspended. Their defence I saw it on T.V. so it must be ok?

If I kid uses that excuse he needs to be slapped quite a few times himself.

quote: I guess labatts agrees.

I guarantee you they do not agree, they just don't want bad press from the overly-PC morons in today's world.

	05-07-2002 23:32									#90
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Well put Osweld.

The whole outrage over this deserves an outrage itself. I don't think anyone here arguing that it was assault has even seen the commercial, other than blackice (and he doesn't really count, does he? )