30-06-2002 09:57									#61
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc BW3's?

Buffalo Wild Wings, a national chain of sports bars which special in chicken wings. I really like hot wings. My wings were heavily sauced tonight, and apparently there's some spices still left on my hands despite washing them twice and using some WetNaps.




Didn't think of me as the sports bar kinda guy, did you? Of course, GP will accuse me once again of being a weak commie. But come on, hot wings. . . . and Newcastle Brown Ale.

	30-06-2002 09:58									#62
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paiktis is up because he's an idiot.

talk to you later GP, friends, countrymen, Romans,



BTW dont believe everything that I say. I will simply not admit to some of Greece's shortcomings in public and to foreigners in a trolly forum

since there is an adequate faretra of arguments to counter them

but they are there and we're working on them

	30-06-2002 10:19									#63
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need to get women that look like Turk ladies...

	30-06-2002 13:23									#64
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quote: Greek Explosion Injures Man Sat Jun 29,10:21 PM ET ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A bomb exploded outside a ticketing office in the Greek port of Piraeus on Saturday night, injuring a man, police said. Explosives disposal experts defused a second unexploded device in the area, and found a hand grenade and a revolver near the injured man, police said. Authorities said they were investigating whether the injured man had been carrying the bomb when it detonated outside the ticketing office of a hydrofoil company that runs passenger trips to the Aegean islands. The office was closed at the time but the port area was busy. It was the second time in less than two weeks that an explosive was detonated in Piraeus. On June 17, a hand grenade damaged the political office of a retired basketball star, who is now a socialist lawmaker in parliament. A group calling itself the Popular Resistance claimed responsibility.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...ion_5&printer=1

except from calling the party currently in goverment socialist, everything else stands

	01-07-2002 06:50									#65
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It is either Popular Resistance or The Revolutionary Cores.

I told you 17 November doesn't make such childish mistakes.

They value their rep dearly.

	01-07-2002 06:52									#66
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The next Olympics should be interesting. The Greeks will make the Atlanta PD look like paragons of professionalism.

	01-07-2002 06:53									#67
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Nothing will happen in the Olympics.

Unlike Atlanta where people lost their lives in terrorist activity (again).

We are not Americans.

Greece has hosted numerous world championships before.

	01-07-2002 06:57									#68
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BTW this Anti-Greek bias is very amusing if not a bit disturbing.

I a man falls off a tree you'll propably call it Al Qaeda victory over Greek police

Don't please your turkish sweathearts so much

	01-07-2002 06:59									#69
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Nothing will happen in the Olympics.

You hope nothing will happen. You have lost the control you once had over the terrorist groups opperating in your territory and they are starting to turn on you. So, I doubt that you can say that with such certainty.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You hope nothing will happen. You have lost the control you once had over the terrorist groups opperating in your territory and they are starting to turn on you. So, I doubt that you can say that with such certainty.

You obviously have no clue. Nor a knowledge of what you are talking about.

It's not our fault you are 2 skyscrapers short, don't take it out on us to make you feel better for your failures. (which scream to high heaven)

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Don't please your turkish sweathearts so much

But Turkish women are so hot.

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Turkish airport base Insirlik (to the mid east) is hotter for you.

(=sexual pervertion)

your propaganda washes off like a mid summer rose water stream.

Still no answer for Greece having hosted numerous world championships without any incident (unlike USA)... why's that I wonder?

Could it be you are full of....

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	01-07-2002 07:11									#73
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 You obviously have no clue. Nor a knowledge of what you are talking about.

You just can not handle the truth.

quote: Turkish airport base Insirlik (to the mid east) is hotter for you.

He knows too much.

	01-07-2002 07:13									#74
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You just can not handle the truth.

I can't stand having you repeating unfounded accusations (=propaganda) made by Anti-Greek centers. (or most accurately in this case, saying whatever comes to your mind)

quote: He knows too much.

	01-07-2002 07:36									#75
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Why do you give up so easily?

Come on

1) Numerous world champinships orginized in Greece, never was an incident, all completely safe. In the US terrorist attacks killed innocent civilians in Atlanta


2)What you refer to as "terrorists" in Greece apart 17N, are small teams of dreamy children who at the very most will leave a gas canister outside some empty building at night. Hardly threatening. In the US terrorists (with the ral meaning of the word this time) kill thousands and you are unable to prevent them

3)Turkey has an interest in badmouthing Greece everychance it gets. You are reapeating that propaganda to please her for having free access to their facilities which are vital for you in the middle east.

4)American companies want to get billions of euroes for taking charge of the security in the Olympics. We don't give them that since we can do a better job and not waste all this money externally and this is anotehr reason for badmouthing us in order to handle over the security and the money to private american companies.

As I said your propaganda is washing away like a cool mid summer stream.

	01-07-2002 07:49									#76
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Why do you give up so easily?

You started stinking up the thread with your constant stream of nationalist BS propaganda.

quote: 1) Numerous world champinships orginized in Greece, never was an incident, all completely safe.

Genoa gives lie to European claims to be able be competent at either proiding security or crowd control.

quote: 2)What you refer to as "terrorists" in Greece apart 17N, are small teams of dreamy children who at the very most will leave a gas canister outside some empty building at night.

Denial, pure and simple.

quote: 3)Turkey has an interest in badmouthing Greece everychance it gets.

Oh please! You sound worse than the Israelis with these claims that the entire world is against you. Surely, you are able to do better than this.

quote: 4)American companies want to get billions of euroes for taking charge of the security in the Olympics.

How much is that? Enough for a Big Mac and Coke?

quote: As I said your propaganda is washing away like a cool mid summer stream.

Your's is good for planting a garden.

	01-07-2002 07:57									#77
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You started stinking up the thread with your constant stream of nationalist BS propaganda.

It's an adequate answer to your BS "rhetorics"

quote: Genoa gives lie to European claims to be able be competent at either proiding security or crowd control.

Anwering BS again.

I stated that Greece has held numerous world championships without inceidents or terrorist attacks and you talk about... Genoa.

quote: Denial, pure and simple.

What a brilliant counter argument

I think you are in denial.

quote: Oh please! You sound worse than the Israelis with these claims that the entire world is against you. Surely, you are able to do better than this.

You are very naive. I didn;t say anything about the rest of the world

You are indeed lost if you believe Turkey does not have an interest in doing that and is indeed doing it.

But I forget history is not your stong point
(or international relations for that matter)

quote: How much is that? Enough for a Big Mac and Coke?

600 mil. euros of Greek taxpayers money IIRC. Lots of Big Macs

quote: Your's is good for planting a garden.

You offered nothing of substance.

Meanwhile what I said stance.

Greece - no terrorist incidents in world chapionships - USA thousands killed by terrorist attacks - Atlanta Olympics included in those.

Which makes me wonder who's supposed to be in a problematic position here.

I would just like to add that it was abhorable that you will throw all this vile propaganda against Greece just for pressuring us to give the money to your private companies.
I am glad we didn't caved in to your... terrorism

and that doesn't make for peachy witchy friends. (although I imagine you do it the world over)

	01-07-2002 08:10									#78
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 It's an adequate answer to your BS "rhetorics"

Uncomfortable truths are often called BS "rhetorics" to protect the accusers fraigile ego.

quote: I stated that Greece has held numerous world championships without inceidents or terrorist attacks and you talk about... Genoa.

I'm talking about the EU's, of which Greece is apart, ability to provide adequate security. Or are you going to admit that the US has hosted numerous world events without problem as well if you want to focus specifically on your own little third world country.

quote: What a brilliant counter argument

I think that living in complacency and underestimating your enemies is the surest way to prove everything I have stated about Greece correct. So, carry on the way you have been.

quote: You are very naive. I didn;t say anything about the rest of the world

Any article that says anything remotely negative about terrorism in Greece is automatically dismissed as "angloamerican propaganda and disscussion about it is therefore moot.

	01-07-2002 08:19									#79
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Uncomfortable truths are often called BS "rhetorics" to protect the accusers fraigile ego.

They often are. In other cases rampant nationalism, they are the most appropriate answer to indeed BS "rhetorics".

quote: I'm talking about the EU's, of which Greece is apart, ability to provide adequate security. Or are you going to admit that the US has hosted numerous world events without problem as well if you want to focus specifically on your own little third world country.

And I repeat, numerous World Championships held in Greece without any incident.

Atlanta games go bombed by terrorists.

Who is making up propaganda and who's telling the truth?

quote: I think that living in complacency and underestimating your enemies is the surest way to prove everything I have stated about Greece correct. So, carry on the way you have been.

But what you are doing is actually generilizing and inflating non-issues for your own aims be that trolling or otherwise.

Apart 17N, those "terrorist" groups are kids with gas canisters. They don't stance a change against Greek organized security in the games.

Meanwhile in the US you have had thousand of deaths from terrorists unlike Greece.

So I'm wodnering who has the best strategy here...

quote: Any article that says anything remotely negative about terrorism in Greece is automatically dismissed as "angloamerican propaganda and disscussion about it is therefore moot.

Not all. But payed libels by woosley or a hand picked Washington Post "journalists" payed by the turkish lobby really deserve no discussion.

Also lobbying so that the private american companies get the money is not worth discussing either.

I have yet to hear a hard fact.

Meanwhile Greece has had no incidents in plenty of world championships. US has lost thousands to terrorist attacks so I think you may want to put some order there first and then offer advice

I am willing to discuss operational matters and so is Greece and is doing in just that with 6 countries including the US.

But baseless propaganda for your private companies or your turkish lackeys, no thanks.

	01-07-2002 08:35									#80
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Also if you stopped trolling for a minute,

don't think that no terrorist cares about Greece and that's why we are so tranquile....


Greece's position in the gateway of Europe and close to Middle East produces the ideal "entrance" for numerous islamist terrorist organizations.

We had to fight long and hard to get rid of those in the '80s. And we managed to do that without loosing almost not one Greek.

So I wouldn't call us exactly unexperienced.

about 17N, yes, it is unbelievable that not one man got busted so far. And there are reasons for that as I explained. Don't think it makes me "happy" that they are not caught.

But that does not take anything away from our counter - terrorist adequacies.

And I'd appreciate it if people who have lost thousands to terrorists didn't pretend to be experts on such issues.

and lastly about 17N. CIA, FBI, Scotland Yard, Greek Intelligence Agency and half the world are on their tail.
I think that you are the one who is underestimating them and justify it all in the accomodating incompetence chapter.

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	02-07-2002 14:28									#81
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quote: Greek Bomb Site Gun May Be Stolen ATHENS, Greece (AP) - Europe's most elusive terrorist group may have possessed a gun found at the site of a botched bombing at the country's busiest port, Greek police indicated Monday. A forensics report on a .38-caliber revolver found at the scene of Saturday's blast showed it was stolen from a police officer killed during a 1984 robbery that authorities blame on November 17, Greece's most-wanted terrorist group. The weapon had not been used in any crime since then, and it was unclear how long the bomber — who was injured in Saturday's blast and remains under police guard — possessed it. November 17 never claimed responsibility for robbing and killing the police officer in 1984. But authorities said a gun used to kill the police officer also was used in six other attacks between 1983 and 1997 blamed on November 17. November 17, which blends extreme left-wing politics with nationalism, is named for the date of a 1973 student uprising against the military dictatorship then ruling Greece. It has killed 22 people, including four U.S. officials, since emerging in 1975 with the killing of the CIA ( news - web sites)'s Athens station chief, Richard Welch. No arrests have been made. The group's last victim was British military attache Brig. Stephen Saunders, shot dead on June 8, 2000. Britain's Scotland Yard and U.S. authorities are working with Greek police to track down group members. The policeman's revolver was found near the injured bomber — identified as Savas Xiros, a 40-year-old icon painter from Thessaloniki — after the time bomb he allegedly was carrying Saturday night exploded as he walked past a busy dock in the port of Piraeus. A second bomb found nearby was defused. Police also found two hand grenades and a set of keys at the scene. Xiros, who did not have a criminal record, was under heavy police guard in an Athens hospital Monday. The target of Saturday's bombs remains unclear, but the incident occurred at the beginning of Greece's tourist season. Police Chief Fotis Nassiakos refused to comment on whether police suspect Xiros was connected to November 17. Greece is being pressured to crack down on terrorism ahead of the 2004 Olympic Games ( news - web sites) in Athens and has been criticized internationally for failing to make any significant arrests.

	02-07-2002 17:02									#82
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I suppose this blows 17N's reputation for never killing a Greek citizen.

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quote: 17N's reputation for never killing a Greek citizen

what are you talking about? the greater majority of their victims have been Greeks
22 victims in 27 years: 4 americans, 1 british, 1 turk, 3 arabs and 13 greeks if i remember correctly

	02-07-2002 17:38									#84
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what are you talking about?

It's the impression I got from paiktis22 and axi's fawning over them.

	02-07-2002 17:43									#85
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It's the impression I got from paiktis22 and axi's fawning over them.

your memory seems to be selective
all they said what that 17n has generally not aimed at innocent civilians(like OBL for example) but at businessmen, officials and politicians