01-07-2002 19:24									#1
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The single player CtP2 Tournaments are doing quite well and a CtP1-MP World Cup is underway, maybe it's time to have an official Apolyton Multiplayer Tournament as well? I haven't discussed this with the owners of the site yet, I figured I'd first found out if there would be any interest in this from the CtP2 MP community...

So, would you be interested in participating in such a tournament? What kind of rules would have to be enforced? Is such a tournament feasible at all? Please post here to discuss these issues...

Last edited by Locutus on 19-07-2002 at 04:57

	01-07-2002 21:36									#2
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At least you don't have to worry about rush-buy switching in CTP2, you just have an infinite builds cheat instead... Easy come, easy go .

	02-07-2002 03:57									#3
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Well, we could use the same system as the CtP1 World Cup: all savegames are kept and the loser has the right to inspect the files and ask for moderation if he suspects cheating...

	04-07-2002 00:53									#4
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It doesnt seem that much of a problem to me, if the save games are inspected on the losers request (or by the loser), it would be ok.
Id put my name down, no probs.

	05-07-2002 04:13									#5
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I'd totally make sure I could play in this one (this time it is a promise). How does the California server sound to you all?

	05-07-2002 04:14									#6
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We'd have to swap saves just to make sure no one was cheating but I think I could figure it out even without the save. It's pretty easy if you know what to look for...

	05-07-2002 14:35									#7
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Well, it's good to know there's at least some interest in this, but unfortunately 2 participants doesn't make much of a tournament. I posted a notice in the CtP1 forums as well, maybe some people will respond to that, and it wouldn't hurt if you guys informed your MP buddies of this thread as well. For the moment I'll wait a bit more to see how things develop, but if this has potential and only needs more participants in order to succeed, I'll post a news item about it and email everyone in the MP Registry.

So, how do you guys think what the setup of the tournament should be?

- Random map or pre-made map?
- Default games or mod? What mod?
- 1-on-1 or 3 or 4 people per match?
- Piracy, Pillaging, Wonders, Nukes: allowed or not?
- What difficulty/barbarian level? Pollution on or not?
- Accelerated start or not?
- What mapsize? How many AI players (if any)?
- ... what else?

Any other bugs/problems (other than the infamous one) that I should know about?

	17-07-2002 03:01									#8
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- Random map or pre-made map?

Random map, you gets what your given. Good players find good locations.

- Default games or mod? What mod?

Right now id say the original game because everyones versed in it, WAW would be a good second choice.

- 1-on-1 or 3 or 4 people per match?

1 v 1 for me, doesnt always mean quicker but its more intense.

- Piracy, Pillaging, Wonders, Nukes: allowed or not?

I dont mind, maybe not nukes. The games sometimes dont advance that far anyway.

- What difficulty/barbarian level? Pollution on or not?

I think impossible for sure, and either marauders or no barbs at all (ruins only). Barbs do have a random unbalancing effect but they do keep the game exciting until you meet another human player. Pollution on.

- Accelerated start or not?

In terms of starting age i prefer Ancient, more settlers and gold to start. Say 3/4 settlers on small map and 5/6 on regular

- What mapsize? How many AI players (if any)?

Small map 1 v 1, regular if 1/2 more AI/human civs are added.

also Speed Turns, if its just 1v1 it doesnt matter so much but with 4 humans it can drag on.
...just my preferences, if more people are interested anyway.

	17-07-2002 03:49									#9
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Thanks a lot of your feedback, Maq. Of course, it doesn't help much if you're the only one responding. But I'm writing a post for Markos & Dan now. Once they give the green light (and I don't see why they wouldn't), I'll try to launch a PR campaign to see if we can get more players...

	17-07-2002 07:46									#10
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I vote for default game, v1.11, and random map with each player allowed one call for a restart. Max wet, mostly contents, high diversity, and the rest at default. Wonders seem to be very unbalancing to the game so most MP games out law wonders but allow everything else.

Hopefully there will be no premade teams and we can start with 3-4 settlers since that speeds the game up and adds to most peoples' enjoyment. As For map size I say regular map with eight players. Any larger and it becomes combersum to march armies across.

	17-07-2002 16:03									#11
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Sounds good Locutus keep up the good work
Theres seems like quite abit of interest in the GOTM so i hope some of those same players want to take part in this too.

	17-07-2002 23:58									#12
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Well, good news: not only did Markos approve of this idea: everyone who signs up for the tournament gets a discount for the Apolyton Store (assuming the tourny is actually on, of course - iow when there are enough players)

Oerdin and Maquiladora, I'll consider you guys signed up. J Bytheway, from your post I can't interpret whether or not you would be interested in particating, so if you are, please let me know...

I'll make a start with the PR campaign tonight...

	18-07-2002 21:49									#13
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I am not - with the crumby (crummy?) connection I have here in SA online play is a no-no. I am, in any case, not a sufficiently experienced player to warrant entry. I've only played about 200 turns of CTP2 ever - I'm just a meta-modder here.

	18-07-2002 22:12									#14
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SA?

	18-07-2002 22:15									#15
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South Africa.

	18-07-2002 22:20									#16
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DBL POST

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	18-07-2002 22:30									#17
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You're in South Africa. I didn't know that. The location field confused me...

	18-07-2002 22:32									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat SA?

Well atleast one of 'us' is over there stealing their 'hi-tech' jobs(presumably?), the amount of south-africans over here in London into 'computers' is mind boggleing

I'd like to join the MP fun, but i'm firewalled out, so will have to watch from the sidelines

	18-07-2002 22:34									#19
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I'm born, bred and attending Uni in England, but my parents live in SA, so I visit them for the summer holidays.

	18-07-2002 22:38									#20
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway I'm born, bred and attending Uni in England, but my parents live in SA, so I visit them for the summer holidays.

That's great! At least you get a real summer!

	18-07-2002 22:56									#21
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor That's great! At least you get a real summer!

Don't forget that it's winter in the southern hemisphere at the moment. I haven't had a summer in 5 or 6 years now. But the weather here is good, and I'm not complaining.

	18-07-2002 23:41									#22
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway Don't forget that it's winter in the southern hemisphere at the moment. I haven't had a summer in 5 or 6 years now. But the weather here is good, and I'm not complaining.

Heh!Heh! but lets face it, winter in Z.A. is summer in the uk !

I'm wondering how much a problem server speed will be for you trying MP, compared to Quake etc, CTP2 is quite a slow game.......you should at least try it?
I'm very sad i won't be able to play - although it's going to be a mare to co-ordinate.Still i like the idea particularly of the main Slic and modding guys in giveing MP a real go,it's got to help in the long run.

	19-07-2002 00:37									#23
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway I haven't had a summer in 5 or 6 years now.

*shudder*

Which college are you at in Cambridge?

	19-07-2002 03:50									#24
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway I am not - with the crumby (crummy?) connection I have here in SA online play is a no-no.

Oh yeah, sorry, I had forgotten about that for a moment. Too bad, we need the players...

CoT,
Can't you disable that Firewall or something? Or open the ports that CtP2 needs? I'd love to have you in the tourny...

IW,
How 'bout you? Don't feel like giving MP a try sometime? We already know it works for you

	19-07-2002 04:12									#25
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Maybe, maybe. 20% off was that? It depends what my workload is like from September, unless of course we are playing by August...

I guess I could show an interest. I'm in.

	19-07-2002 05:00									#26
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Cool, Ben

	19-07-2002 14:19									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus .............edit........ CoT, Can't you disable that Firewall or something? Or open the ports that CtP2 needs? I'd love to have you in the tourny............edit........

Well i've tried DeltaForce online before and from my usual location it just won't get through........still i've not even tried CTP2 online so maybe it'll be ok? I'll test it asap and report back.

	19-07-2002 18:31									#28
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Please, do give it a try...

But as I said before, isn't it possible to open a few ports or (temporarily) disable the firewall altogether?

	19-07-2002 18:36									#29
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stupid forum bug... *bump*

	20-07-2002 02:22									#30
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor I'm wondering how much a problem server speed will be for you trying MP, compared to Quake etc, CTP2 is quite a slow game.......you should at least try it?

It's not just the speed, it's the cost. They haven't heard of flat rate internet here yet. You can't even get cable modems because there's no cable either (except in Jo'burg, I think...) .

quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Which college are you at in Cambridge?

Pembroke. But I probably shouldn't say - anyone can locate me now . Not that it would have been so hard previously for non-fools...

quote: Originally posted by Locutus stupid forum bug... *bump*

It worries me that you so frequently notice that .