10-07-2002 19:44									#271
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Pfingsten is Whitsun I think, Männertach is Ascension

	10-07-2002 19:45									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Poll: What is crappier, Turks or Balkan folks?

Germans because of nazism. (self evident fact).


was May 29th 1453 a Tuesday?


(this is very important)

	10-07-2002 19:49									#273
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and Roland, how good is your source?

Are you sure it was not the 13th?

(how can we be sure of the exact date of a "fall" of such a big city BTW)

	10-07-2002 19:51									#274
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Istanbul was very small and poor at that time. It only came to a 2nd richness in Turkish culture.

	10-07-2002 19:55									#275
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hmm like germany losing half its territories.

it didnt really get as rich as it was in the easter roman empire though. (which was the envy of Rome for a long time)

	10-07-2002 19:56									#276
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I just love threads with many empty posts.

	10-07-2002 19:57									#277
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C-Town...there is a grocery store chain here in NYC called C-Town, hehehe. Oh the mental imagery...

"I need a clean up in ailse 7. The Turks have sacked the frozen foods section..."

	10-07-2002 20:00									#278
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Constantinople is not so hard to spell.

Konstantinoupolis.

Or simply Polis.

(the city of constantine)

	10-07-2002 20:04									#279
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Constantinople had about 50.000 or so people when the Turks conquered it. It went fairly quickly after the Turks made a breakthorugh - they had numeric superiority of 10:1-20:1.

Why is the date so important ?

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Well, Roland, it did come as a decided shock to the rest of Europe and helped formulate a European coalition against the Turks that would culminate with the turning back of the seige at Vienna and then the gradual diminution of Turk holdings in the Balkans. Some see it as the turning point whereby Europe began its ascendancy, as it jolted them so much.

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Roland,

it is important yes.

Because I'm sure it fell on a Tuesday.

Greeks consider Tuesday the 13th the "bad day" instead of the rest of europe which i think considers Friday the 13th the "bad day".

Superstisiously speaking of course.

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Boris... he knows thatm he's asking why paiktis deems the exact date so important.

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I meant the exact day, not the event.

Btw, what european coalition ? Most of the time we fought the Turks, we fought the french too.

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That's just American oversimplification

And most of the times you fought the French, we fought each other

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I vaguely remember something about Constantinoples and the 13th.

Maybe the latin conquest in 1203 or 1204 ?

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1204 it was, 4th crusade

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quote: Originally posted by Roland I meant the exact day, not the event.

Err, my english must really suck.

Constantinople fell on a Tuesday. Greeks consider Tuesday the unlucky day in constrast with the rest of europe which considers the friday to be the bad day.

and both Greeks and the rest of europe consider the number 13th as unlucky but along with a different day because of the fall of Constantinople.

Tuesday the 13th for the Greeks. (because of Constantinople which fell on a Tuesday) Friday the 13th for the rest of europe (as to why for them, i dont know)

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Coalition in a loose sense...wasn't it a Polish king who rescued Vienna, though?

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The crusaders took (or at least invaded) the city twice. First in a byzantine power struggle 1203, then for themselves (or Venice, rather) 1204.

	10-07-2002 20:15									#290
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Im talking about the fall of Constantinople to the ottomans though in what regards Tuesday.

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"Err, my english must really suck."

My clarification was for Boris.

"wasn't it a Polish king who rescued Vienna, though?"

In 1683, Jan Sobieski had the pro forma command over an austrian-german-polish army, yes.

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oh okey dokey

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"Im talking about the fall of Constantinople to the ottomans though in what regards Tuesday."

If it was definately about that, the 13 could come from the old calendar system. 29th is day 13 or 14 after the calendae, or ?

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quote: Originally posted by Roland "Im talking about the fall of Constantinople to the ottomans though in what regards Tuesday." If it was definately about that, the 13 could come from the old calendar system. 29th is day 13 or 14 after the calendae, or ?

very interesting. i dont know.

	10-07-2002 20:24									#295
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Why don't you try searching some greek websites on why you have that peculiarity about tuesday 13th ?

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well it is not considered a peculiarity

rather the rest of europe's friday is

Im positive about Tuesday being the day Polis fell and thats why it is considered bad/unlucky. (Apofrada Imera in greek).

about the 13th im not sure.


and my broweser crashes if i open two windows at the same time since i erased the iexplore.exe

but i will though and i will post it when i do. promise.

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http://www.greekspider.com/supersti...erstitions3.htm


heres a web site with greek superstitions in english

i cant verify its accuracy.

will ahve to leave poly to find out more

	10-07-2002 22:02									#298
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Jan III Sobieski, soviel Zeit muss sein