02-07-2002 03:24									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ignorance Oh yeah. The old "He is criticizing our goverment, he must therefore be a commie!" -routine. But no. I actually like when the candidates who get the more votes than others win.

The commie bit was a joke, hence the

George W. got more votes than AlWhore. The Electoral votes are the only relevant votes.

	02-07-2002 03:26									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus what century do you live in? And what is your opinion of the electoral system? Isn't it so....1800s?

The 21st, of course. The commie bit was a joke. I think the electoral system is flawed, but better than a straight one man one vote system.

	02-07-2002 03:26									#33
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quote: George W. got more votes than AlWhore. The Electoral votes are the only relevant votes

-Why are the people irrelevant? The Electoral college gave a disproportionate share of votes to small states, which is the only thing that allowed Dubbya's narrow win.

	02-07-2002 03:27									#34
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quote: Originally posted by NY Hoya Trash, contemptible trash. You know that's a load of tripe. That or perhaps you're a commie.

You´re pretty cocky for a settler with 0 posts.

	02-07-2002 03:27									#35
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quote: I think the electoral system is flawed, but better than a straight one man one vote system.

-What's wrong with one man, one vote. Could we at least cut each state's electoral votes by 2 so that at least the electoral votes are determined solely by population of a state?

	02-07-2002 03:27									#36
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sounds a lot like Iraq, or some other third world nations.

"the [fill in the gap] votes are the only relevant votes"


and you think that's right? weird idea of fair you have. Most people voted for Gore, yet he lost, and you think that's fine?

	02-07-2002 03:28									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -Oh... I've been complaining about the electoral college since before this election. This only fed me a good example of what was wrong with it.

point taken. I assume you don't have U.S. citizenship. Get it and your opinion will matter.

	02-07-2002 03:28									#38
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quote: You´re pretty cocky for a settler with 0 posts.

*does the DL dance*

	02-07-2002 03:29									#39
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To be fair, it was only more people for Gore, thanks to Nader who made sure neither candidate would get over 50%.

	02-07-2002 03:30									#40
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quote: I assume you don't have U.S. citizenship. Get it and your opinion will matter.

actually it does't. That's why Bush won and not Gore. The people who held that precious US citizenship didn't have much say in it.

	02-07-2002 03:31									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -Why are the people irrelevant? The Electoral college gave a disproportionate share of votes to small states, which is the only thing that allowed Dubbya's narrow win.

I'm sure you're aware of the reasons for the electoral college. Basically, it prevents the coasts from deciding U.S. policy, protects the voice of the smaller states, etc. If not for the college, presidential candidates wouldn't campaign anywhere other than California, New York, Texas, Florida, and a handful of other states.

	02-07-2002 03:32									#42
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quote: point taken. I assume you don't have U.S. citizenship. Get it and your opinion will matter.

-You are correct... the application is sitting on my bed, where I left it before I fled the country in a hurry... I mean, left for my study abroad trip

	02-07-2002 03:32									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X You´re pretty cocky for a settler with 0 posts.

so what?

	02-07-2002 03:33									#44
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After the New Papers did the recount, Bush still won with a 200 or so vote margin. What Gore wanted was a dimble on the page to count as a vote. In Calif. a hanging tab is no good. The vote will not count. Must be a clean hole in the ballot.
The New Paper than did a dimble count (a mark on the ballot and not a hole in the ballot) and Gore won by around 400 and some. The FL. law in place at the time said hanging tabs did not count.

	02-07-2002 03:33									#45
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quote: I'm sure you're aware of the reasons for the electoral college.

-Yes, because people are stupid. (that is the people who still keep it). It also makes sure that when I become a US citizen, my vote will not count, unless I first move to a different state.

quote: Basically, it prevents the coasts from deciding U.S. policy, protects the voice of the smaller states, etc. If not for the college, presidential candidates wouldn't campaign anywhere other than California, New York, Texas, Florida, and a handful of other states.

-How so? Every vote would be as good as every other vote. Now only votes in states that are close count.

	02-07-2002 03:34									#46
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Now, if the US is really so technologically advanced. How hard would it be to put in a computerized voting system and leave no doubts.

	02-07-2002 03:34									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis To be fair, it was only more people for Gore, thanks to Nader who made sure neither candidate would get over 50%.

and i thank those green bast**** every day

	02-07-2002 03:36									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus *does the DL dance*

DL??? nope

	02-07-2002 03:38									#49
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Damn all those people who run the GPUSA like it's the CPUSA.

	02-07-2002 03:41									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus and you think that's right? weird idea of fair you have. Most people voted for Gore, yet he lost, and you think that's fine?

yes I do. under a straight system, I have no doubt that more people would have voted for bush. Due to the intricacies of the electoral college system, the popular vote is different than it would be under a straight system. Republicans are less likely to vote in a state in which Democratic support reaches 60%. The reverse is also true. The only states that reach realistic levels of voter participation are the so-called battleground states. Like Florida.

	02-07-2002 03:42									#51
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True, but this way we will never know.

	02-07-2002 03:42									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis Now, if the US is really so technologically advanced. How hard would it be to put in a computerized voting system and leave no doubts.

How would you guarantee privacy in computerized voting system?
With computers, it would be easy to see who voted for whom, and you really do not want to give the current ruler that information...

	02-07-2002 03:44									#53
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we use computers here in 99% of the disticts. works like a charm

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quote: How would you guarantee privacy in computerized voting system? With computers, it would be easy to see who voted for whom, and you really do not want to give the current ruler that information...

-Maybe, but I would think accurate vote counting would be important.

	02-07-2002 03:47									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -How so? Every vote would be as good as every other vote. Now only votes in states that are close count.

you guys must have gone through this before on this board. It's the same reason each U.S. state has two Senators. A further separation of powers beyond the three branches. The electoral college system slightly shifts the focus of voting power away from the most populous states to those with a lesser population. Not so much that a state like Wyoming has undue power, just so that its voice is heard.

	02-07-2002 03:52									#56
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quote: you guys must have gone through this before on this board. It's the same reason each U.S. state has two Senators.

-I know that and I don't agree with it. Scrap the senate and add a house elected by PR.

	02-07-2002 03:55									#57
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quote: Originally posted by NY Hoya so what?

You gotta learn to respect your superiors, boy!

	02-07-2002 03:58									#58
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quote: Originally posted by NY Hoya I'm quite serious. I never said our elections were democratic. They aren't. The U.S. is not a democracy. Are you educated on the American system? Jeb Bush cannot "tell" any court to find one way or another in a decision. Separation of powers and whatnot. W won the election legally, he had the majority of the electoral votes. The popular vote makes no difference in U.S. elections due to the electoral college, and surely would have been different under a different electoral system.

Are you really naive enough to think that when Bush's victory was on the line, and the govenor of the state supreme court which decided the election-that decision would NOT have been effected by the state govenor, and Georg's brother Jeb?

He won it legally over the table, but illegally under the table......you honestly think his brother didnt influence that supreme court decision(though obviously not publicly)?

Its not a democracy because the minority can, and often do decide who becomes president, and more so because the people did not decide who is president......the Bush's decided who was president and im my eyes George W. Bush is a dictator who took power illegally.

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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X You gotta learn to respect your superiors, boy!

spoken like a true pinko! I think I'll just relax with my (non-cuban) cigar and scotch on the rocks.....

	02-07-2002 04:00									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -I know that and I don't agree with it. Scrap the senate and add a house elected by PR.

Why? we like it here. If enough people decide to scrap the system we will do so. As it is, candidates know how the system works and should play by those rules.