02-07-2002 01:32									#1
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http://www.cia.gov

	02-07-2002 01:34									#2
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Very clever linking.

For those who don't care to read it, it's obviously an editorial.

	02-07-2002 02:22									#4
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I couldn´t resist...

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Many people would like to see a democratic elections in US, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

	02-07-2002 02:37									#6
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or ever

	02-07-2002 02:43									#7
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What was wrong with the US elections?

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ahem

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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus ahem

have you read up on American law recently? Or are you just an anti-american troll?

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quote: Originally posted by NY Hoya What was wrong with the US elections?

are you serious?

Well first off the electorial college means someone can win even if the majority didnt vote for them......so its not a democratic election to start......not to mention the last electionw as RIGGED(rigged in the manner that Bush's brother, the govenor of Florida told the florida supreme court which way to send the election).

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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen are you serious? Well first off the electorial college means someone can win even if the majority didnt vote for them......so its not a democratic election to start......not to mention the last electionw as RIGGED(rigged in the manner that Bush's brother, the govenor of Florida told the florida supreme court which way to send the election).

I'm quite serious. I never said our elections were democratic. They aren't. The U.S. is not a democracy.

Are you educated on the American system? Jeb Bush cannot "tell" any court to find one way or another in a decision. Separation of powers and whatnot. W won the election legally, he had the majority of the electoral votes. The popular vote makes no difference in U.S. elections due to the electoral college, and surely would have been different under a different electoral system.

	02-07-2002 02:54									#12
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quote: have you read up on American law recently? Or are you just an anti-american troll?

-Bush won the election 5-4

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quote: Or are you just an anti-american troll?

Do you even have to ask?

That hurts me deeply.

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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -Bush won the election 5-4

should have been 9-0

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quote: The popular vote makes no difference in U.S. elections due to the electoral college

and with that you answered your own question.

That is what's wrong with the US elections...

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Well there are only 5 conservative justices.

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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Do you even have to ask? That hurts me deeply.

haven't posted here much, I thought I could get away with that one. Of course I know you are.

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you better

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Does this sound familiar:
* The self-declared winner is the son of the former prime minister and that former prime minister was himself the former head of that nation’s secret police (CIA).
* The self-declared winner lost the popular vote but won based on some 200-year-old colonial holdover from the nation’s pre-democracy past.
* The self-declared winner's 'victory' is based solely on disputed votes cast in a province governed by his brother!
* At least 100,000 votes in this disputed province were thrown into the trash as void.
* Maybe intentionally confusing, poorly drafted ballot of one district, a district heavily favoring the self-declared winner's opponent, led thousands of voters to vote for the wrong candidate or make a mistakes that would cause their vote to be thrown out.
* Members of that nation's most despised caste, fearing for their lives/livelihoods, turned out in record numbers to vote in near-universal opposition to the self-declared winner's candidacy.
* Hundreds of members of that most-despised caste were intercepted on their way to the polls by provincial police operating under the authority of the self-declared winner's brother .
* The self-declared winner and his political party opposed a more careful by- hand inspection and recounting of the ballots in the disputed province or in its most hotly disputed district.

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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus and with that you answered your own question. That is what's wrong with the US elections...

you only b**** about it because you don't like the outcome...

	02-07-2002 03:09									#22
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quote: you only b**** about it because you don't like the outcome...

-True, but that doesn't make the complaints any less legitimate. I don't ***** about the refereeing in the Spain- S. Korea game, but that doesn't mean I have to believe Spanish fans have nothing to complain about.

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quote: Originally posted by Ignorance Does this sound familiar: * The self-declared winner is the son of the former prime minister and that former prime minister was himself the former head of that nation’s secret police (CIA). * The self-declared winner lost the popular vote but won based on some 200-year-old colonial holdover from the nation’s pre-democracy past. * The self-declared winner's 'victory' is based solely on disputed votes cast in a province governed by his brother! * At least 100,000 votes in this disputed province were thrown into the trash as void. * Maybe intentionally confusing, poorly drafted ballot of one district, a district heavily favoring the self-declared winner's opponent, led thousands of voters to vote for the wrong candidate or make a mistakes that would cause their vote to be thrown out. * Members of that nation's most despised caste, fearing for their lives/livelihoods, turned out in record numbers to vote in near-universal opposition to the self-declared winner's candidacy. * Hundreds of members of that most-despised caste were intercepted on their way to the polls by provincial police operating under the authority of the self-declared winner's brother . * The self-declared winner and his political party opposed a more careful by- hand inspection and recounting of the ballots in the disputed province or in its most hotly disputed district.

Trash, contemptible trash. You know that's a load of tripe. That or perhaps you're a commie.

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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -True, but that doesn't make the complaints any less legitimate.

If you only complain about something because you don't like the outcome it sure as hell makes the complaint less legitimate.

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quote: If you only complain about something because you don't like the outcome it sure as hell makes the complaint less legitimate.

-Nonsense. If you like the outcome of something, you must be stupid or have very strong principles to complain about the way it happened.

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quote: Originally posted by NY Hoya Trash, contemptible trash. You know that's a load of tripe. That or perhaps you're a commie.

Oh yeah. The old "He is criticizing our goverment, he must therefore be a commie!" -routine.

But no. I actually like when the candidates who get the more votes than others win.

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quote: That or perhaps you're a commie

what century do you live in?

quote: If you only complain about something because you don't like the outcome it sure as hell makes the complaint less legitimate.

And what is your opinion of the electoral system?

Isn't it so....1800s?

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Yes, that sort of thing does have a certain appeal to it.

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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -Nonsense. If you like the outcome of something, you must be stupid or have very strong principles to complain about the way it happened.

I think you missed the point. If the only reason one complains about an outcome is because they don't like said outcome, it is suspect.

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quote: If the only reason one complains about an outcome is because they don't like said outcome, it is suspect.

-Oh... I've been complaining about the electoral college since before this election. This only fed me a good example of what was wrong with it.