06-07-2002 00:55									#61
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quote: poeple are not getting killed in the Athens Airport.

of course not. The hijackers usually wait till the air is off the ground. remember, like in 76' when that Air France flight was kidnapped by Abu-Nidal? Some great security job, guys. People went on - board an international flight with guns!

	06-07-2002 07:56									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Dalgetti of course not. The hijackers usually wait till the air is off the ground. remember, like in 76' when that Air France flight was kidnapped by Abu-Nidal? Some great security job, guys. People went on - board an international flight with guns!

They were international guns.

	06-07-2002 07:59									#63
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I love how this guy is an Egyptian limo-driver. But because he has no apparant terror connections, they're calling it a hate crime. I'm sorry, this is stupid. Hate crime? As opposed to the murders done out of love?

	06-07-2002 08:12									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I love how this guy is an Egyptian limo-driver. But because he has no apparant terror connections, they're calling it a hate crime. I'm sorry, this is stupid. Hate crime? As opposed to the murders done out of love?

Well, it doesn't appear to have been a robbery, or an attempt to collect money owed him on a drug deal. I suppose it might have been a "thrill killing". We don't know yet whether he was ordered to do it by one of L.A.'s notorious gangs. It might have been an initiation rite for a fraternity.

See? There are lots of reasons other than hate for which people committ murder.

	06-07-2002 08:18									#65
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But a hate crime isn't a classification of motive. Their are robberies that are hate crimes.

	06-07-2002 08:20									#66
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Hate crime is a classification of motives. It's a crime directed at someone for simply being of a certain "race, colour or creed"....

	06-07-2002 08:25									#67
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No, I mean that a "hate crime" is considered different from other supposed non-hate-crimes. The penalties are more severe for hate-crimes. It is a classification of motive in that respect, but it isn't a term just used to describe the motive. It is a term used to describe the official charge.

Murder-One
Murder-Two

are different from

hate-crime Murder-One
hate-crime Murder-Two

My uncle is a criminal attny. The whole hate-crime classification is stupid. If you murder someone for money or because of their skin color, it's still murder, and you should still fry. Making separate charges and penalties is stupid.

	06-07-2002 08:49									#68
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I don't agree with more severe sentencing for hate crimes...

	06-07-2002 11:59									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove They were international guns.

Good point

Plus, that was '76. In 2001 people with carton-cutters hijacked 4 airplanes without breaking a sweat in the US.


BTW I saw a very propagandistic film with charles bronson about this.

	06-07-2002 12:01									#70
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and I am serious about an EU directie disadvising euroepan citizens from travelling to the US.

It is a duty to the safety of our people, since america can obviously not guarantee it.

	06-07-2002 17:24									#71
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perhaps the egyptian lad just could not bear sharing his birthday with a superpower.

	06-07-2002 17:30									#72
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He obviously had his reasons.

	06-07-2002 18:25									#73
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*as opposed to murder done out of love?*

this is what pisses me off.

there's some deranged arse who kills his wife/girlfriend.

and they call it a "crime of passion"

the man is a freakin nutball in severe need of psychiatric assistance which was not administrated to him in time and they call him a "passionate lover?"

veritably pathetic IMO