06-07-2002 15:54									#1
	200+ members/ citizenship.. but where are they voting? Suffering from ads?

Just a quick point I'd like to make after seeing Gramphos' huge list of members (of which I am a respectable 201st ), I ask some of these members to voice their opinions, join political parties, and above all, vote in polls!
I'm not asking every tom, **** (< lol@apolyton) and harry to spam the forum with trivial points and questions, but some input on the game's direction is surely required?
The voting on many important decisions and candidancy (sp?) is left to a small percentage, whilst the masses seem to stay silent...

So speak up, join a political party (i recommend the Hawk Party) or just generally take up your right to vote and make your opinions heard!

Note:
Perhaps the majority of the populus cannot access the Apolyton site within the short spaces of time allowed... especially on some of the more important issues such as political goverment candidate assignments, maybe an extension is needed if a certain percentage of citizens don't vote? Just the opinion of a small-time settler 201st in the pecking line

IceElement
Hawk Party Activist

	06-07-2002 16:03									#2
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Many people stop coming here because they're on vacaion, bored by the DemoGame, or simply don't have time for now (or forever )
Our problem is that we don't remove people from the list, because we don't know if they explicitely take part in the game or not. A possible solution (as disorganizer put it) would be to make a new joining thread every month or so.

Another solution is simply not to care. If people want to participate, let them o so. If they don't want, let it be until they change their minds, or not. Just consider we have 80 active citizens at this time (which is already fairly large).

	06-07-2002 16:15									#3
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Another reason I just thought of; complexity of the 'code of laws', political bureuacracy and the like. I have to admit, on entrance to this forum I had some trouble trying to follow and even understand what was going on... both currently and in past turns. I was aided much by the formation of Trip's new site (which i very much praise [you got my vote ]), and some of the reports by the Apolytonian and the Times, (again, ty)

Now I am up to date with all thats going on, I find the complexity of the game very appealing; yet I found it very daunting, even off-putting to begin with.
The results are this... the complexity and... clutter (for want of a better word) of the forum attracts only the more... persevering and serious gamers, yet clearly does not appeal to the majority of new members.

Whether this is a good thing or not is debatable.

IceElement
Hawk Party Activist

	07-07-2002 01:08									#4
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I didn't feel the constitution was (or is) too complex, or that the government was/is too bureuacratic.

However, I did feel a little lost at first. Perhaps there should be a topped thread for newcomers with links and descriptions of all threads and websites helpful in getting up to speed?

	07-07-2002 01:09									#5
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every ... 3 months or so anyway, we need to have a re-sign up....

	07-07-2002 01:26									#6
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 every ... 3 months or so anyway, we need to have a re-sign up....

hi ,

, we could always check the "members" , top left of the posting page , ....
and we should simply ask that they PM , or some one could PM them , ....

we should also have a list or thread where people can sign out , ...

have a nice day

	07-07-2002 15:53									#7
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quote: Originally posted by IceElement Another reason I just thought of; complexity of the 'code of laws', political bureuacracy and the like. I have to admit, on entrance to this forum I had some trouble trying to follow and even understand what was going on... both currently and in past turns.

Do I have a book of my ideas out somewhere that everyone reads?

Seriously, tho' the "silent majority" that votes, plus a fair few posting members have defeated those of us who consider the Constitution too complex time and again. I fear views like ours are more on the radical side of this game.

	08-07-2002 00:05									#8
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Do I have a book of my ideas out somewhere that everyone reads? Seriously, tho' the "silent majority" that votes, plus a fair few posting members have defeated those of us who consider the Constitution too complex time and again. I fear views like ours are more on the radical side of this game.

hi ,

, last line , do you mean the group that post's often compared to the group that post's almost never , ...

have a nice day

	08-07-2002 01:28									#9
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I mean (as people such as Trip can very well attest to ) that I fought long and hard to have only a very limited set of rules, and no wordy Constitution was necessary. IceElement's desire for simplicity reflects my own from some weeks ago.

	08-07-2002 01:36									#10
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt I mean (as people such as Trip can very well attest to ) that I fought long and hard to have only a very limited set of rules, and no wordy Constitution was necessary. IceElement's desire for simplicity reflects my own from some weeks ago.

hi ,

, yes it should be simple , ....

but it aint possible with such a game and such large numbers of people , ...

for now it aint complicated , it needs some work , but it shall get there !

have a nice day

	08-07-2002 01:44									#11
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It will be interesting to see if more members start showing an interest once we go to war.

	08-07-2002 02:16									#12
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The problem is that this thread looks pretty confusing. I was away 3 days, and due to the mass of new threads (3 pages) i almost quit reading them. This would also have made me one of those "non-voters".

To the war-part: We could also loose active citizens from a war. Especially if the war is started under special circumstances, for example there was no citizen-decission about it.

We will soon be able to aling our census statistics with the in-game events. Maybe we should see then which things in the game scare our citizens away or whether this is just a regular moovement, with always the same amount of active citizens in average.

The census week 27 for example shows that of 64 voting citizens, 20 dont post. It even shows we have some ppl just watching, but not participating at all.

	08-07-2002 05:44									#13
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quote: Originally posted by OPD It will be interesting to see if more members start showing an interest once we go to war.

Its not like the forum will start flashing bright colors to allert the common forum-goer that we are at war. Things will be the same among non-posters, I suspect.

	08-07-2002 12:21									#14
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i got another idea:
why not use a kind of "press-secretary" to put up weekly summaries on the apo-mainpage?

	08-07-2002 23:41									#15
	Tired of ads?

Good idea. Though monthly reports might be better; one week isn't always eventful. Plus, we could also have election news in each report that way.

I just hope we get permission and this idea doesn't go the way of the subforums...