06-07-2002 22:36									#31
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Peking!

	06-07-2002 22:42									#32
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Btw, Johannes is the Devil. Never utter his name out loud unless you wish to summon him. Yes, this is a very bad, repetitive and obscure inside joke, but I'll keep it that way.

	06-07-2002 22:43									#33
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Johannes!

	06-07-2002 22:50									#34
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*squeals*

Soon he will arrive! And no one who is left behind can be spared from his teenaged fervour for alcohol and mopeds!

*runs away in horror*

Edit: When you can't decide between "will" and "shall", "wiall" is your choice.

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	06-07-2002 23:51									#35
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Ioannes is Latin for John. It's likely that German and Finnish both corrupted it in the same way.

Andy, I'm going to be startin German in the fall. Would you be up for helping me practice when I do? Or able to refer me to anywhere I could get practice?

	06-07-2002 23:59									#36
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Well Germans have some wierd names for Romanian cities:

Oradea = Grosswardein
Sibiu = Hermannstadt
etc.

I think in Romanian we do tend to turn foreign monarch names into more Romanian forms (Charles -> Carol, Elizabeth -> Elizabeta, etc.)

	07-07-2002 00:00									#37
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Victor Galis is Romanian? I thought he was a German who moved to Canada at the age of 5.

Felch - OK, not a problem. If Siro wants to do some practising as well (and Taurus finally returns ), we can open a course

	07-07-2002 00:24									#38
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One of the few good things done by the Communist Chinese government was switching over the official translation system from Wade-Giles (Peking) to Pinyin (Beijing). Sure, some of the city names are less neat, but Pinyin actually uses the letters of the alphabet and doesn't insert diacritical marks everywhere.

	07-07-2002 00:28									#39
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[quote]Victor Galis is Romanian? I thought he was a German who moved to Canada at the age of 5.[quote]

-Nah. I was 6, but German is my second language, and I had spent some time in some of the Germanic villages in Transilvania where only German was spoken, but I myself am only 1/32 Austrian, 31/32 Romanian.

	07-07-2002 01:15									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu I wonder what moden King John of England would be. Only one way to find out. Prince William (who would become King Vilhelm, presumably) must name his son 'John'.

That'd never happen. King John was the guy that signed the Magna Carta, and that act is so repugnant to royalty that--even though "John" is the most popular name in English--there has never been another King John.

	07-07-2002 03:20									#41
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VG, that sounds cool!

	07-07-2002 03:22									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Felch X Andy, I'm going to be startin German in the fall. Would you be up for helping me practice when I do? Or able to refer me to anywhere I could get practice?

You are going to study German? I've been there. Good luck. You're doomed.

	07-07-2002 03:49									#43
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whatwhatwhat?

	07-07-2002 04:06									#44
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There are some capital names that are 'translated' in romanian some time ago, like London -> Londra, Lisboa -> Lisabona, Warsaw -> Varsovia.

Usually we use the original name, but there are some exceptions like Elisabeth -> Elisabeta

Fortunatelly for us, we don't run into finnish names too often. The fonetics are so different.

	07-07-2002 04:11									#45
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well, it's usual with cities.

English, French and American names don't get translated. Apart from that, nothing stays unharmed.

And in reverse? the formerly mentioned translate anything German, like München --> Munich, or Köln --> Cologne, etc. Or Straßburg --> Strasbourg

	07-07-2002 05:00									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion It is done, sometimes. We could adress to English kings as Karl VIXIXII but also the Charles version of it, it doesn't really matter. Nowadays, most people use the original name for it though, but sometiems names do still get transferred into German. I know the Roman number thing is messed up, Iwas merely making fun of the amount of Charles' in England.

There have only been 2, so far.

	07-07-2002 05:20									#47
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We've been through that, KH. RTFT.

	07-07-2002 06:24									#48
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Too lazy.

	07-07-2002 06:26									#49
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They chopped off the second one's head. That's why kings in England don't take that name when they accede to the throne.

	07-07-2002 06:38									#50
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Is it true that Finnish is the only language in the region that is not even remotely related to the Indo-European family?

Where did it come from?

	07-07-2002 06:41									#51
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Related to Hungarian. Came from the East.

	07-07-2002 06:44									#52
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Oh. I thought some place more exotic.

	07-07-2002 06:46									#53
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Pretty exotic. Barbarian hordes and all...

	07-07-2002 06:53									#55
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Oh. So it isn't the only non related language in the area. Damn profs. Can't trust a one of em.

However, I was think a wee bit more exotic. Are you sure they couldn't have influenced that tree to blend in better? Notice that the Finnish branch is the highest point.

	07-07-2002 09:11									#56
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Oh. So it isn't the only non related language in the area. Damn profs. Can't trust a one of em. However, I was think a wee bit more exotic. Are you sure they couldn't have influenced that tree to blend in better? Notice that the Finnish branch is the highest point.

Tee-hee, somehow I think it's funny that some professors can't get right stuff that's teached to fifteen year olds. Of course, it's 7 AM, in the night if you get my drift, and tablespoons looks like a bloody funny concept at this point.

Influenced? Us? By all means, no. Actually, Finnish comes from the planet Mikälie, from the solar system of Hemmetti some thirtythree lightyears away.

The Estonian and Finnish languages are btw quite identical, we can roughly understand each other even if we haven't studied the language one bit. But Finnish has gotten much more influence from Indo-European languages then other Ugric languages, methinks. Even from the Slavic ones.

	07-07-2002 09:21									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Victor Galis is Romanian? I thought he was a German who moved to Canada at the age of 5. Felch - OK, not a problem. If Siro wants to do some practising as well (and Taurus finally returns ), we can open a course

OOOOH, me too, I am quite eager to learn German.

	07-07-2002 09:25									#58
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse They chopped off the second one's head. That's why kings in England don't take that name when they accede to the throne.

Nope, they chopped off the first one's head. The second one came back after Cromwell died and took charge again.

	07-07-2002 09:29									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Influenced? Us? By all means, no. Actually, Finnish comes from the planet Mikälie, from the solar system of Hemmetti some thirtythree lightyears away. The Estonian and Finnish languages are btw quite identical, we can roughly understand each other even if we haven't studied the language one bit.

My guess was Andromeda, but close enough from my perspective.

Oh, BTW, you should have gone to sleep. Now you've disclosed that the Estonians are your (probably less) evil twins in your diabolical plans for colonization.

	07-07-2002 09:33									#60
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Notice that the Finnish branch is the highest point.

That's because that branch is too crowded, and so it had to be puffed up a little bit to fit all those teeny-weeny little languages in, Finnish included .

I never figured out the one thousand and one ways Westerners pronounce Chinese names anyway. Once in Paris, this old guy kept going on and on about a very large Chinese city called "Shong-gayee", and acted extremely surprised when it appeared I'd never heard of it in my life. It took me quite a while to figure out that it was actually Shanghai.