07-07-2002 09:41									#61
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quote: Nope, they chopped off the first one's head. The second one came back after Cromwell died and took charge again

Actually, I knew that.

	07-07-2002 09:46									#62
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Uh-huh, sure.

	07-07-2002 09:52									#63
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I did, you tw@t.

Then there was James II, and then the "old pretender" pretender named James and his son, the "young pretender", Bonnie Prince Charlie...

	07-07-2002 10:05									#64
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Yeah, yeah, go down that list you're rattling off from a Web site, sure...

One of the advantages of having a history teacher for a mom...she can list the Kings of England and give summaries of their histories from memory...

	07-07-2002 12:45									#65
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It's funny that German doesn't adapt French or English city names. And even Nanzig is quite unknown (except in Letzebuerg). There are quite a few Mediterranean and eastern European names adapted:
Lisboa - Lissabon
Miland - Mailand
Roma - Rom
Venezia - Venedig
Budapest - Budapest
Warszawa - Warschau (ok, pronounces nearly identical)

It's the name of important cities we transform.
This is because usually the names of the cities developed differently in different languages from one common ancient origin. Some other cities simply were an important part of German history, such as Prag/Praha/Prague or Lüttich/Liège/Luik.

There are other cities, namely in Romania (e, Victor) which are founded by a German population, such as Hermannstadt (Sibiu), Klausenburg (Kluji), or Kronstadt (Brasov).


About the kings: Usually (roughly) the names of the pre-20th century kings are translated to German (except Ivan). And it was quite usual to translate all names a few centuries ago. Gianbattista (?) Lulli -> Jean-Baptiste Lully, John Dowland was referred to as Johannes Duland by some German duke, or I read a 18th century translation of a book by Pierfrancesco Tosi who was called Peter Franz Tosi.

	07-07-2002 12:53									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler That'd never happen. King John was the guy that signed the Magna Carta, and that act is so repugnant to royalty that--even though "John" is the most popular name in English--there has never been another King John.

Actually, had it just been for Magna Carta, we'd have had Johns galore. It's considered one of his better moves....

The real reason is because he betrayed his father, brothers, attempted to steal the throne, betrayed his nobles and was both a murderer and a serial rapist. Being forced to kickstart British democracy doesn't enter into it.

	07-07-2002 14:56									#67
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quote: betrayed his nobles

This was the most important bit until the Tudors came along. He pissed off the Lords so much, and they were so crucial in retaining the throne for any length of time that taking the name "John" would have been just asking for trouble...

	07-07-2002 14:59									#68
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Finnish, of course, has also some rather... unique ways to call other countries.

Sweden -> Ruotsi
Russia -> Venäjä
Estonia -> Viro
Germany -> Saksa

	07-07-2002 15:01									#69
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Canada? England? France?

	07-07-2002 15:33									#70
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Canada - Kanada, England - Englanti, France - Ranska. Only the nearby countries suffer from Finnish name-innovativeness.

	07-07-2002 15:41									#71
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Greece in finnish?

If it is something like griekenlaound dont bother.

	07-07-2002 15:59									#72
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a brief contribution from croatian (slavic language)

car - tsar/czar
Ivan Pavao II - pope
Luj IV - Louis IV
Gjuro IV - George IV
Isus Krist - Jesus Christ
Djevica Marija - Virgin Mary
Sveti Josip - St. Joseph
Sveti Petar - St. Peter

all biblical names are translated, new ones are not

states:
nizozemska - holland
spanjolska - spain
engleska - england
finska - finland
belgija - belgium
turska - turkey
grcka - turkish province in the aegean
njemacka - germany (comes from nijem - mute, probably because early slavs couldnt figure out german language)
kanada - canada
sjedinjene americke drzave (SAD) - USA (but most people just say amerika)
novi zeland - new zaeland
francuska - france
italija - italy

	07-07-2002 16:04									#73
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wow. only one vowel

	07-07-2002 16:44									#74
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion turska - turkey

That should be Norway.

	07-07-2002 16:46									#75
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Norway = Turkey?

Weird country indeed...

	07-07-2002 16:47									#76
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Well, that was a Finnish inside joke anyway.

	07-07-2002 16:50									#77
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Finns have jokes?

Hey Aivo, could you send me Finnish euro coins?

And that was an OT inside joke

	07-07-2002 18:34									#78
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quote: They chopped off the second one's head. That's why kings in England don't take that name when they accede to the throne.

-I'm pretty sure the first was the one to be beheaded.

	07-07-2002 18:44									#79
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quote: OOOOH, me too, I am quite eager to learn German.

-Yeah, I should get past the stage where I can only pretend to speak German

quote: Klausenburg (Kluji)

-Er, we spell it Cluj. Or occasionally Cluj-Napoca after the Roman settlement.

	07-07-2002 19:29									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus Nanzig

:ee:

It took me minutes to figure that one, but it made me when I got it at once

And everyone is welcome to be in my German course

	07-07-2002 19:35									#81
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Eh?

	07-07-2002 19:37									#82
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Be constructive or shut up.

	07-07-2002 19:40									#83
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I just wanted to know what the smileys were all about.

	07-07-2002 20:23									#84
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quote: -Er, we spell it Cluj.

Romania was only partly on the map I looked to, so I had to feign I would remember the name

The first two look for the lost k in the same row. .

	07-07-2002 20:33									#85
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Ecthelion, it is easier to figure out when you know that the -ich or -ig termination in the names of western German towns has a pre-roman (possibly celtic) origin, and was -iacum in latin. In French-speaking regions, this was changed into -y (for some reasons, Liège/... doesn't follow this rule). Now I wonder if the Linnich (between Aachen and Düsseldorf) and Ligny (not far from here) originally had the same name.

More to the east, -ig points to a Slavic origin (Danzig, Leipzig, Einundleipzig).

	07-07-2002 20:47									#86
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Turska = cod in Finnish.

Anyway:

Norway = Norja
Denmark = Tanska
Netherlands = Alankomaat
Belgium = Belgia
Spain = Espanja
Italy = Italia
Poland = Puola
Ireland = Irlanti
Great Britain = Iso-Britannia
Turkey = Turkki
Croatia = Kroatia
United States of America = Amerikan Yhdysvallat (Although "Amerikka" is more usually used, not to forget "Jenkkilä" in daily conversation)
Greece = Kreikka

	07-07-2002 21:02									#87
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I presume Nanzig is Danzig is Gdansk...

I don't think English messes with too many place names, but there are a few...Lisbon (Lisboa), Moscow (Moskva), Bangkok (Krung Thep), Cairo (Qahira), Athens (Athinai), Rome (Roma), Warsaw (Warszawa). The Germans seem to mess about with Polish place names like no ones business, Wroclaw (Breslau), Gdansk (Danzig), Szczecin (Stettin) for example...bizarre...

	07-07-2002 21:06									#88
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Well, they did own most of those places before WWII.

	07-07-2002 21:46									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Finns have jokes? Hey Aivo, could you send me Finnish euro coins? And that was an OT inside joke

	07-07-2002 21:53									#90
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I was thinking Nanzig = Nancy.