08-07-2002 08:37									#61
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Sisko takes number one because DS9 was the most creative of the Star Trek series, also the most B5-like I might add.

B5 was so much better because it was more realistic and more creative at the same time. Actually, I think it was B5's realism which forced it to be more creative. In Star Trek all the races basically look the same, just with funny looking faces. B5 has different races with entirely different biological makeups. Witness the Vorlons or the Shadows, other species requireing encounter suites, and my favorites, the beings from Thirdspace . That was a cool movie with a cool premise.

In ST they all have basically the same ships, warp drive, phasers.. yada yada. In B5 they push the creative envelope, which I like.

	08-07-2002 08:39									#62
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Picard was the best captain, but DS9 was the best show.

	08-07-2002 08:40									#63
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The Sisco!

	08-07-2002 08:52									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Carver Sisko takes number one because DS9 was the most creative of the Star Trek series, also the most B5-like I might add. B5 was so much better because it was more realistic and more creative at the same time. Actually, I think it was B5's realism which forced it to be more creative. In Star Trek all the races basically look the same, just with funny looking faces. B5 has different races with entirely different biological makeups. Witness the Vorlons or the Shadows, other species requireing encounter suites, and my favorites, the beings from Thirdspace . That was a cool movie with a cool premise. In ST they all have basically the same ships, warp drive, phasers.. yada yada. In B5 they push the creative envelope, which I like.

thats because DS9 ripped babylon 5 off

and did it lousily too

Jon Miller(or so I have been told)

	08-07-2002 10:13									#65
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One word:

Engage!

And yes, woohoo, someone else knows about Red Dwarf! Best show ever! Hilarious. Sadly, I think I've seen all of the episodes a few times too many.

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quote: Originally posted by Carver Holy phasers Pythagoras, I think you're right. Kirk and JFK both have a youthful energy about them, looking for new things to explore. Archer and Little Bush both have that down home, Texas barbeque, cattle herding attitude. Sisko and Janeway did come around when Clinton was telling us to "don't stop thinking about trommorow". And Picard reminds me of Big Bush. They both have a simple resoluteness about them. If you think about some of Bush's statements on Iraq during the Gulf War, I could easily see Picard saying the same lines.

Archer gives speeches just like Bush, somewhat akward (from bad acting) moralizing. Then there's the suliban or whatever

	08-07-2002 10:15									#67
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Many people here know about Red Dwarf.

Ever watch the Smeg Ups (Or was it the Outs?) with Picard talking about how he was thinking of suing Grant Naylor?

	08-07-2002 10:18									#68
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And then he laughed, and put down the phone.

My favorite part is when someone asks what smeg means.

	08-07-2002 10:21									#69
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That was hilarious.

I didn't know what smeg was the first time I saw it. I heard of smegma. Never put two and two together until reading this one story with a character that was nicknamed "Smegs" though.

	09-07-2002 00:17									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov 2 questions: 1) what else is known about species 8472? 2) what else is known about Borg creation? I remember reading about them being created several million years ago by this one creature, but it's all blury in my memory now

2 answers (sort of)

1) http://www.startrek.com/library/xeno.asp?ID=119943

2) The origin of the Borg is not known AFAIK. However, Q "introduced" the Borg to Enterprise D at stardate 42761. Maybe that´s what you´re thinking of?

	09-07-2002 00:43									#71
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I think Janeway made a decent captain once the writing got a lot better in the fourth season and she lost that horrid bun hairstyle.

And DS9 was a flagrant rip-off of B5. But also good.

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Ben Sisko, while not technically a captain, wins my vote, hands down. He rocked.

Of course, I dislike all ST except DS9, so he was the only obvious choice...

	09-07-2002 00:54									#73
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Kirk is the man.

Picard was such a wuss he couldn't even take Soren, and ended up getting Kirk killed and his ship destroyed by a half-assed bird of prey.

Sisco was OK if somewhat preachy, Archer is so-so, Janeway was annoying.

BTW, Data also qualifies as captain, as seen in "Redemption PartII".

	09-07-2002 00:56									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael And yes, woohoo, someone else knows about Red Dwarf! Best show ever! Hilarious. Sadly, I think I've seen all of the episodes a few times too many.

Same here, I´ve got all the episodes on VHS. They´re almost worn out by now. My sister likes them as well, between ourselves we must´ve seen every episode a gazillion times

	09-07-2002 00:58									#75
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Seriously, don't you think Hollister is extremely cunning? I mean, he was originally a donut boy and was able to make his way up to Captain.

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7 of 9

	09-07-2002 01:32									#77
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Don't forget the captain from the original pilot.

Captain C. Pike.

	09-07-2002 01:45									#78
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James T Kirk
Jean-Luc Picard
Benjamin Sisko
Katherine Janeway
Jonathan Archer

I voted for Kirk because I grew up with him. I was 23 years old when the show started. He would have a lot more votes if most of you were my age.

Picard a close second, and I mean close.

Sisko and Janeway are both very good in my world.

Archer is doing OK but needs to win a few fights.

I understand how hard it is to watch a show of today and then try to compared it with a show of 1967/68/69. That is 35 years ago.

Maybe Archer is the show that was going to be made in 1972/3 but was never made.

	09-07-2002 02:05									#79
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The Emissary of the prophets

and Baldy comes close second in my list.

	09-07-2002 02:06									#80
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I grew up with the Next Gen. Only Picard will ever personify, to me, what Star Trek is supposed to be about. I guess I'd have felt the same about Kirk had I been that vintage.

As for the others, Sisko is a warmonger, Janeway is the victim of a series devoid of soul and Archer.... well.... Enterprise has too many continuity errors for me to even consider Archer to be part of the Star Trek Universe. I prefer to think of Enterprise as being part of the Babylon 5 franchise.

	09-07-2002 02:08									#81
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Enterprise lumped with B5? Are you crazy?

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quote: Maybe Archer is the show that was going to be made in 1972/3 but was never made.

No, the lost series have nothing to do with Enterprise. some scripts and ideas have been used in star trek movies, and The Next Generation though (like the ep in which Troy got pregnant).

	09-07-2002 02:40									#83
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My wife make me vote for Janeway

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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Seriously, don't you think Hollister is extremely cunning? I mean, he was originally a donut boy and was able to make his way up to Captain.

He was? I must have missed that episode...

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quote: Originally posted by DarthVeda And DS9 was a flagrant rip-off of B5. But also good.

Both shows were under development at the same time.
Fortunately, B5 did it better

	09-07-2002 03:01									#86
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I also grew up with Kirk.... OK, I´m not THAT old They aired TOS in swedish TV in the late ´70s. (Alongside 'Space:1999' ) But still, Picard is one of the few human characters in ST that has some real substance. The human characters in ST are often 2-dimensional characters that doesn´t leave a lasting impression If you made a top 10 list of interesting characters in ST Picard would be the only human.

	09-07-2002 03:08									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Both shows were under development at the same time. Fortunately, B5 did it better

Yes they did. The main reason why B5 is better IMO is because it had a clearly defined storyline, beginning and end. It´s basically one long story divided into little pieces. This also allows for a better and more free handling of the various characters.

ST sucks bigtime in this department. Nothing truly surprising really happens here...

	09-07-2002 03:13									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Enterprise lumped with B5? Are you crazy?

I think I'll be proven correct when the last series is total and complete crap.

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quote: Originally posted by Ming Both shows were under development at the same time. Fortunately, B5 did it better

Wow.... so Ming can be wrong. You heard it here first folks

	09-07-2002 03:25									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X I also grew up with Kirk.... OK, I´m not THAT old They aired TOS in swedish TV in the late ´70s. (Alongside 'Space:1999' ) But still, Picard is one of the few human characters in ST that has some real substance. The human characters in ST are often 2-dimensional characters that doesn´t leave a lasting impression If you made a top 10 list of interesting characters in ST Picard would be the only human.

I must agree fully- Kirk was a one note guy, any bad guy worth a damn would easily be able to lure him into a trap just by keeping in mind he is such a macho guy- no finess. Picard did recite Shakespeare, but was no wimp (the whole intellectua=pansy thing just never dies).

I must say that the whole 2 dimensional thing goes for ST alien species too- which is why B5 was better: all the races had a rich culture and many contradictions and internal conflicts, things races in ST lack utterly. The only race that got any worthwhile treatment were the Bajorians, due to DS9's format.