13-07-2002 07:36									#61
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Like so many more out there have you posted thre same thing in all of them?

But this thread has been going for a week and you're still only on page 2. Couldn't you and Ron arrange a time when you'll both be here to hurl abuse at each other so this thread can finally pass into the abyss?

	13-07-2002 13:31									#62
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What? Let you miss out on the fun, Fab? Never!

Blackice- you have genuinely no idea about the West case. It took place just 15 miles away from me. In all the lead-up to the trial everyone was screaming for Rose to be lynched.

Right, I'm going to try this again. What. Is. He. Going. To. Be. Imprisoned. For.?.

Is the question too complex? Glenn Sacks has said he faces imprisonment- so I'm asking what for. If this bloke's such a dynamite social commentator then try explaining that because it sure as hell makes little sense to me.

	13-07-2002 15:20									#63
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If you want examples of the wife being blamed, just go to the fathers rights group webpages.

There's a Canadian murder where the father said he had to kill the wife because she was a bad mother.

Or how about blaming the devil:
http://www.tpg1.com/protest/federal/dwi.htm
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) -- A driver who killed two college students with his car after drinking and taking drugs was sentenced to life in prison without parole on Tuesday by a jury that rejected a prosecutor's plea for the death penalty.

Jones' defense lawyer blamed Satan -- in the form of alcohol and drugs -- for Jones' problems while Jones blamed the government. On the stand, Jones testified his addiction was worsened by Veterans Affairs doctors who gave him more drugs when he sought help last August.




http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSLaw0203/27_system-sun.html
TORONTO -- A Toronto shoemaker, who plotted to murder his wife and kidnap a Brampton Crown and his spouse, says he was driven to stupidity by Canada's flawed justice system.

Daniele Renzi, 43, an Italian immigrant who once owned a successful custom shoe factory, railed against social workers, police, his church, political correctness and the plight of fathers at his sentencing hearing yesterday.

"No way was I to kill anybody," he said, adding he only wanted "to teach the system a lesson."

That's not unlike the men who kill themselves and blame the system. The sick thing about it is the men's rights groups are using these tragedies for political purposes.

People commit suicide because they are mentally ill. Their illness often leads to find someone to blame for their actions.

	13-07-2002 20:52									#64
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Or we can continue Fab and annoy you or you could simply ignore the thread your choice.

Ron the information on the case you gave links for is extensive. The information I posted was in those links.
Now Ron I suggest you send a letter to Glen and ask him. You are asking me to answer for him I say go to the source. Do not forget to post the answer here in it's entirety. I have heard he responds to all and any letters.

Taki once again proving your limited knowledge and misandry. Once angain you post an opinion with no basis in facts and no links to back up your misandry.

quote: The sick thing about it is the men's rights groups are using these tragedies for political purposes.

Where there is truth it will be told, now Taki is this not the same thing the womens groups did, of course it is they still do. The important fact is as shown womens groups fudge the facts immensly to convert gulible people like you. Suicide is a cry for help taki take Austrlia more mens suicides than all the road accidents combined last year. Canada 10 times the amount if not more male suicides than spousal murders yet no money for reseach male suicides but millions into spousal murders. This is simply wrong. You need to stop misandry and start reading the facts.

Lets look at stress factors taki, you lose your wife or kids your house your life as you knew it. You now pay up to 60% of what you make to an x. All that and why taki because a system says so and why because womens groups said so. The system is imbalanced and only a fool or a misandry driven hate group says otherwise.

	13-07-2002 21:08									#65
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The sad thing is there are real examples of men getting shafted by women, but blackice has doesn't show us those.

	13-07-2002 22:08									#66
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The sad thing is there are real examples of men getting shafted by women, but blackice has doesn't show us those.

I assume that is because you have yet to read what I have posted.

	13-07-2002 22:18									#67
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I've read almost everything you've ever posted (at least that I've seen). The only thing I've agreed with you is the commercial of men getting slapped.

	13-07-2002 22:37									#68
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So having a man pay support of a child that is not his ok? As one example...

	13-07-2002 22:59									#69
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Didn't see that one. Like I said, I read the one's I see.

	13-07-2002 23:05									#70
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I am curious which ones have you read that formed this opinion and post?

	14-07-2002 07:00									#71
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Lets look at stress factors taki, you lose your wife or kids your house your life as you knew it. You now pay up to 60% of what you make to an x. All that and why taki because a system says so and why because womens groups said so. The system is imbalanced and only a fool or a misandry driven hate group says otherwise.

This is the typical Blackice response. Anyone who disagrees with him is hates men or is a fool. Pure propaganda. He learned his lessons well from McCarthy and Hitler.

And Blackice starts a thread complaining about people blaming others for their actions and then he turns around and blames others.

The high number of suicides, by men and women, in North America needs to be addressed. The problem is, North American society doesn't like to talk about it, particularly the media.

The first thing to recognize is that people commit suicide because they are mentally ill, not primarily because of some external factor. If we want to help them, we need to provide the health services to cure them and then eliminate the social stigma involved in using those services.

Suicide is not a cry for help, unlike suicide attempts that are clearly designed to fail. Suicide is the result of mental sickness that often deprives people of the ability to seek help. Suicide is the result of not being able to cope with pressures. It is the result of depression. It is the result of many factors.

We need to do more to prevent suicides, but using these suicides for political purposes won't help.

	14-07-2002 07:07									#72
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quote: This is the typical Blackice response. Anyone who disagrees with him is hates men or is a fool. Pure propaganda. He learned his lessons well from McCarthy and Hitler.

Typical to you only Taki it is the only response to you as you prove misandry is alive and well. Search Taki just you...Hilter and McCarthy your an idiot

quote: And Blackice starts a thread complaining about people blaming others for their actions and then he turns around and blames others.

I did I posted an article once again showing men are blamed in this case as in others. Your lies are humorous at best. Now I blame others have you taken your meds yet?

quote: The high number of suicides, by men and women, in North America needs to be addressed. The problem is, North American society doesn't like to talk about it, particularly the media.

No chit sherlock some of you dimwits do not like to talk about anything that you do not like.

quote: The first thing to recognize is that people commit suicide because they are mentally ill, not primarily because of some external factor.

You are a dangerous man.

quote: Suicide is not a cry for help, unlike suicide attempts that are clearly designed to fail.

No professional agrees with your obvious personal non professional opinion dangerous you are.

quote: Suicide is the result of mental sickness that often deprives people of the ability to seek help. Suicide is the result of not being able to cope with pressures. It is the result of depression. It is the result of many factors.

This type of misinformation which you are well noted for here is dangerous Taki stop posting what you have no idea about.

	14-07-2002 07:10									#73
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quote: Originally posted by blackice This is the typical Blackice response. Anyone who disagrees with him is hates men or is a fool. Pure propaganda. He learned his lessons well from McCarthy and Hitler. No Taki it is only the response to you as you prove misandry is alive and well. Search Taki just you...

You obviously don't know what misandry means. If you did, you would not use it to discribe me. Get yourself a dictionary.

	14-07-2002 07:11									#74
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Taki you are the prime example of it to a tee.

	14-07-2002 07:12									#75
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quote: The high number of suicides, by men and women, in North America needs to be addressed

Our (both Canada and US) suicide rate is lower than Europe's...

	14-07-2002 07:13									#76
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I wouldn't be surprised if you think misandry means "anyone who disagrees with men's rights groups."

By the way, check out my post on that weather thread. I am interested about your daughter's problems.

	14-07-2002 07:25									#77
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Completed suicides, U.S., 1999*

Suicide was the 11th leading cause of death in the United States.
It was the 8th leading cause of death for males, and 19th leading cause of death for females.
The total number of suicide deaths was 29,199.
The 1999 age-adjusted rate** was 10.7/100,000, or 0.01%.
1.3% of total deaths were from suicide. By contrast, 30.3% were from diseases of the heart, 23% were from malignant neoplasms (cancer), and 7% from cerebrovascular disease (stroke), the three leading causes.
Suicide outnumbered homicides (16,899) by 5 to 3.
There were twice as many deaths due to suicide than deaths due to HIV/AIDS (14,802).
There were almost exactly the same number of suicides by firearm (16,889) as homicides (16,599).
Suicide by firearms was the most common method for both men and women, accounting for 57% of all suicides.
More men than women die by suicide.
The gender ratio is 4:1.
72% of all suicides are committed by white men.
79% of all firearm suicides are committed by white men.
Among the highest rates (when categorized by gender and race) are suicide deaths for white men over 85, who had a rate of 59/100,000.
Suicide was the 3rd leading cause of death among young people 15 to 24 years of age, following unintentional injuries and homicide. The rate was 10.3/100,000, or .01%.
The suicide rate among children ages 10-14 was 1.2/100,000, or 192 deaths among 19,608,000 children in this age group.
The 1999 gender ratio for this age group was 4:1 (males: females).
The suicide rate among adolescents aged 15-19 was 8.2/100,000, or 1,615 deaths among 19,594,000 adolescents in this age group.
The 1999 gender ratio for this age group was 5:1 (males: females).
Among young people 20 to 24 years of age the suicide rate was 12.7/100,000, or 2,285 deaths among 17,594,000 people in this age group.
The 1999 gender ratio for this age group was 6:1 (males: females).
Attempted Suicides

No annual national data on attempted suicide are available; reliable scientific research, however, has found that:
There are an estimated 8-25 attempted suicides to one completion; the ratio is higher in women and youth and lower in men and the elderly
More women than men report a history of attempted suicide, with a gender ratio of 3:1
The strongest risk factors for attempted suicide in adults are depression, alcohol abuse, cocaine use, and separation or divorce
The strongest risk factors for attempted suicide in youth are depression, alcohol or other drug use disorder, and aggressive or disruptive behaviors

	14-07-2002 07:29									#78
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She is fine so far thanks for asking Taki. Her hives seem to have subsided and the rash is fading slowly. She is in good spirits we just came back from icecream at the local hotspot They all love her there she's the life of the night life hey we could not have a day so why not a night

	14-07-2002 07:30									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai I wouldn't be surprised if you think misandry means "anyone who disagrees with men's rights groups."

I full well know what it means take note I rarely us it...

	14-07-2002 07:31									#80
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It's a big problem. I think we're in agreement there.

One of the reasons we're not dealing with suicides is that the media doesn't report them. In the past, mental health experts convinced the media that reporting suicides leads to copycat suicides. That attitude is now changing with mental health experts trying to get suicides covered, yet done in a way that minimizes copycats.

	14-07-2002 07:32									#81
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quote: Originally posted by blackice She is fine so far thanks for asking Taki. Her hives seem to have subsided and the rash is fading slowly. She is in good spirits we just came back from icecream at the local hotspot They all love her there she's the life of the night life hey we could not have a day so why not a night

Of course she's in good spirits, Ice cream = health food.

Good to hear she feeling better.

	14-07-2002 07:54									#82
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Response to both post's

	14-07-2002 08:05									#83
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse quote: The high number of suicides, by men and women, in North America needs to be addressed Our (both Canada and US) suicide rate is lower than Europe's...

By far baltics lead the way there I think 21.1 per 100,000 as opposed to 10-12 per 100,000 here.