09-07-2002 00:58									#1
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http://www.glennjsacks.com/terry_bartons_smart.htm

It is sure getting blatant out there.

This is par for the course today all too common also.

Can this woman just take her lumps? She screwed up big time now she should just go away. To blame someone else like this is so unbelievable.

I mean how far would you as a man get stating it's my wifes fault.

	09-07-2002 01:18									#2
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No suprise really. Pretty much anyone accused of ANYTHING these days tries to find a scapegoat.

I perused some of the columnists articles on the site and would guess that he and you share a lot of views ( hmmm are YOU the columnist ??)

	09-07-2002 01:23									#3
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Christ, you're a bitter one Blackice.

	09-07-2002 01:32									#4
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Ron not bitter at all quite happy really. You have a right to your opinion as wrong as it is. Now try reading the story. Now equate this to anything you have ever heard a man do and get simpathy when he blames his wife. Then they investigate the wife.

Good luck and good life.


Flubber yes you are right most people blame someone.

In this case though they are actively looking at this obviously dedecated man. Personally I think she is a nut case. She started the fire, killed people and now should be convicted. Drop all the bs about the man crap.

Again how often do you hear the defence my wife made me do it and it is actively looked into. To answer you some and no.

	09-07-2002 01:37									#5
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So three "Men being oppressed by evil women" threads in one day counts as "not bitter"? On top of all the others you've done?

If it's some sort of pathological compulsion caused by your traumatic divorce then you have my sympathy. If it's just a hobby then change the ****ing record.

	09-07-2002 01:42									#6
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"Lord, stay thy hand."

Why does the legal system see fit to punish mistakes? She's only lying because she's trying to get out of an unfair punishment.

So she screwed up. We all do. Did it have drastic consequences? Yes. But that doesn't mean she should be punished.

	09-07-2002 01:44									#7
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Ron, I think he has a right to express his opinion on the matter. His divorce may have formed his point of view on the subject , But his points aren't being less valid because of that. Not that I am saying he's always right on these issues, but he is not automatically incorrect , because of his personal experience.

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Now my divorce Ron you are sure grasping at straws here I had a great divorce so did she we thank you very much .

Your opinions would be better formed if you read the articles. It is about injustice Ron not women per se.

Faboba has it right yet they are actively blamming the man also why Ron? Also Ron why is it so acceptible to you and other posters that this is ok or the norm? Wait you have not even commented about the story yet Waiting to hear your informed opinion for sure.

Dalgetti kind and wise words

	09-07-2002 01:54									#9
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blackice... check your PM's...

	09-07-2002 01:55									#10
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Why the wink?

	09-07-2002 02:01									#11
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Thanks Ming I had no idea

Dalgetti More of a nod of approval as you have a brain and use it. :0)

	09-07-2002 02:05									#12
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Thanks Ming I had no idea

NP...

	09-07-2002 02:06									#13
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quote: When in Trouble, Blame a Man

Words to live your life by.

	09-07-2002 02:12									#14
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I think that " When in Trouble , Blame man" would be more appropriate.

	09-07-2002 02:12									#15
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Methinks all this women-bashing is the only way blackice can get his rocks off anymore.

	09-07-2002 02:16									#16
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Unfortunatly, Blackice is spot on with this news article. It's unfortunate that men have willingly allowed themselves to become the victims of such persecution in this modern world. I suspect "male rights" groups becoming mainstream is right around the corner.

	09-07-2002 02:19									#17
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	09-07-2002 02:19									#18
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Hell, might as well get on the ground floor of this.

Who wants to join with me in becoming a founding father of the masculinist movement?

We can fight for the right not to vote, go on gluttony strikes and have big bonfires of jock-straps.

	09-07-2002 02:21									#19
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Reading the column, it looks like the author is beating up a strawman. I hadn't heard from any other source of Ms. Barton getting any sympathy or her ex getting any blame.

If that's really how it's being spun, I expect to see a Lifetime movie, Fire in her Heart: The Terry Barton Story in 2007 or so.

	09-07-2002 02:29									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Rex Little Reading the column, it looks like the author is beating up a strawman. I hadn't heard from any other source of Ms. Barton getting any sympathy or her ex getting any blame. If that's really how it's being spun, I expect to see a Lifetime movie, Fire in her Heart: The Terry Barton Story in 2007 or so.

Ha ha ha!

Beating up a strawman

Never heard that before. I like it... I like it....

	09-07-2002 02:38									#21
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Guynemer while most others get it you still prefer to kill the messenger.

I post what I post to bring awareness to the flawed social engineering and male bashing that goes on. Not because I hate women. I like people and a lot of people I like happen to be women all my life I have had more female friends than male.

The difference is I look at people as people not their sexual orientation as you appear to do.

As far as my sex life goes heh I am doing just fine thanks

As far as injustice goes you are just one of the many uninvolved, ill-informed opinionated people.

best of luck and best wishes

	09-07-2002 03:03									#22
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Just a question and if you don't want to answer, fine. But what do the women you go out with now say about the whole "us-men-are-being-slighted-really-bad" deal?

The sooner we all realise and expect for women to hold the strings (which they have done forever, only now it's in the open), the world will be a lot more fun place. (yes, i was raised by a feminist )

	09-07-2002 03:10									#23
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Did she beat the will to self govern out you?

	09-07-2002 03:15									#24
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To answer you they have more friends that reinforce us-men-are-being-slighted-really-bad then they can shake a stick at.

Most if not all women and men have similar stories about the anti male situation.

quote: The sooner we all realise and expect for women to hold the strings

You meant to say people right?

	09-07-2002 03:16									#25
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What a silly question lightblue, do you expect blackice's girlfriend to violently oppose him? Perhaps we live in a world where we are trained to not question the persection that we suffer, but it is silly if you are subtly implying that his girlfriend should have him sleeping on the couch for his activist beliefs.

	09-07-2002 04:51									#26
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quote: The sooner we all realise and expect for women to hold the strings (which they have done forever, only now it's in the open), the world will be a lot more fun place. (yes, i was raised by a feminist )

women in general can't deal with that. It's no coincidence evolution made us this way. Men are the dominant gender in our species. Just read up on your biology.

	09-07-2002 05:12									#27
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Wow, I never realized I was so oppressed. I guess I deserve the easier time in life I get being a man, the higher salaries, no one cutting me off in mid-sentence, no one patronizing me, people taking my opinion seriously, etc.

	09-07-2002 08:10									#28
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The Hayman fire which Barton is accused of starting has not taken the life of any firefighters. Six firefighters have been killed in Colorado this year, five in a traffic accident heading to the fire near Durango and one who was hit by a tree working that same fire. This not so little error calls all of the 'facts' in that story into question.

While I agree that male bashing and it's political analogs in civil rights and domestic violence laws are skewed unfairly against men, I see that the tide is already turning back toward a just society (and hopefully no farther, but that is probably wishful thinking). We do need to pay attention to whatever groups are being scapegoated in our society and sift the grains of truth from the chaff of convenient bigotry. Right now blacks and men are the acceptable punching bags for this (American) society. We need to be particularly sensitive to the rights of African Americans and men until the wind shifts, and be ready to act again when another group achieves the status of scapegoat.

	09-07-2002 08:31									#29
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Sikander cheers nail on the head a balance...

Now as far as deaths yes Ann Dow and the five from Oregon.

quote: The Teller County DA is still investigating the possibility of a Murder Charge for the death of Ann Dow. Her husband is facing hard times through the loss of his wife due to Terry Barton's actions. Then the 5 firefighters from Oregon who were enroute to the Hayman fire, IN THE LINE OF DUTY. Thats now 6 people who have died beacuse of Terry Barton's actions.

	09-07-2002 08:54									#30
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quote: Originally posted by blackice The Teller County DA is still investigating the possibility of a Murder Charge for the death of Ann Dow. Her husband is facing hard times through the loss of his wife due to Terry Barton's actions. Then the 5 firefighters from Oregon who were enroute to the Hayman fire, IN THE LINE OF DUTY. Thats now 6 people who have died beacuse of Terry Barton's actions.

Oops my bad. I looked it up and the firefighters that died in the accident were on the way to the Hayman fire. I was confused because the memorial was held in Western Colorado and many resources were being shifted from the Hayman fire to the west at the time.