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chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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This is stupid.

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They make lunch for the owners of the island?!?! I predict that it might change hands a few more times if that is true.

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paiktis, your story seems to indicate that Morocco recognizes Spanish sovereignty over Ceuta and Melilla. The CIA handbook says otherwise:

[QUOTE]Spain controls five places of sovereignty (plazas de soberania) on and off the coast of Morocco - the coastal enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla which Morocco contests, as well as the islands of Penon de Alhucemas, Penon de Velez de la Gomera, and Islas Chafarinas [\QUOTE]

If Morocco goes after either enclave, there will be a war between Spain and Morocco.

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If Morocco goes after either enclave, there will be a war between Spain and Morocco.


Morocco won't stand much of a chance. Furthermore, even if Spain somehow manages to lose the rest of the EU will step in.

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I can't believe that Maghribu is that dumb. That must mean sth else. Perhaps by provoking Spanish attack, Maroccans
wish to obtain sth else... But Marocco isn't anti-European...
I don't understand all this.

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I sense a war...damn, the casualties could be in the tens of...erm...people...

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I sense a war...damn, the casualties could be in the tens of...erm...people...


But the goats, man! The Goats!

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maybe the would become jenisares faeelin. you know get a full scholarship and everything

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The goats had more sense than to stay and left for Switzerland several days before all-out war broke out

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Ceuta and Melilla are small Spanish enclaves on the African coast. If Morocco is escallating its territorial claims to the use of force, the most likely targets are these two towns. This is why the situation really is serious.

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A reply to whoever asked about the military strength of Morocco: I visited the country last year for 5 weeks, and was most of the times in the Western Sahara, which is essentially occupied territory (think Palestine) by the Moroccans. Their military strength is huge, especially in the Sahara. I can't say how modern their army is, but in shear numbers I guess they'll match Spain easily. Those bluehelmets have some function there, they 'try to pacify the region' since 1975 (If only they would do something, instead of spending dollars on whiskey in 5 star hotels).

Not only was Spain the first country to colonize Morocco before they traded it to France, they are also the biggest supporters of Polisario, the main resistance movement of the region. Okay, there has been little armed conflict in the Sahara the past years, but diplomatically the tensions are growing.

This could very well have been a move by Hassan II to shift attention from the Western Sahara even more, and far from the joke people think it is. Sure, a tiny island of little strategic importance can only be a provocation, but I guess that was exactly what they tried to do: Morocco is Europe minded, and has very good relations with France, but due to the support of Polisario there is not one 'true' Moroccan who likes Spain. Conflict within the EU on the issue could have been the only goal...

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We will invade their asses.

All we need to send is our aircraft carrier and they will move their butts out of there.

Sorry, I am tired and in a bad mood after that plane trip... talk to you tomorrow.

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All we need to send is our aircraft carrier and they will move their butts out of there.


Spain has an aircraft carrier? What's that, a rowing boat with a long plant across it for launching kites

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We will invade their asses.

All we need to send is our aircraft carrier and they will move their butts out of there.


Spain has an Air Craft Carrier? It must be one of those small pocket carriers.

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I don´t have time for this half witless garbage. I am not in the mood either especially after a twelve hour plane trip. Please don´t throw crap at me after I been gone so long.

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So... Spain is claiming sovereignty over a small island mere metres away from another country... now where have I heard that before?

Hypocrites...

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Argentina, Spain= seperate countries.

This wont be another faalklands. Both countries airforces could reach other, I imagine a much smaller war. And yes, I would suspect the NATO alliance to be activated.


"Morocco won't stand much of a chance. Furthermore, even if Spain somehow manages to lose the rest of the EU will step in."

You mean NATO? As far as I know there is no EU armed forces, except for an experimental response force (which is lacking in alot of things at the moment). Only NATO. I wouldnt expect any US or UK or any other countries intervention, Morrocco is a fairly westernized and secular nation and has good relations with everybody else except of course WS (which they occupy) and Spain.


Finally, I predict there wont be a war between the two. It may come to a few shots fired over the islands, but I think morrocco will back down quietly for the next 10 years.

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Hmm. Will there be a new reconquista, this time from the other side?

Yeah, right. The islands are spanish. Morrocoo's 2nd biggest trading partner is Spain. Spain has the support of the rest of the EU, and (god knows why it would need it) America. Morroco has words of encouragement from the arab league.

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Yeah, they have less right to Melilla and Cueta than we have to Gibraltar...

Didn't we invade Spain the other week? Apparently some marines ignored the perfectly good landmark of The Rock and landed in full combat gear on a Spanish beach...

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From What I understand it frightened a bunch of tourists.

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They have little right to demand Gibraltar back when they themselves keep Melilla and Ceuta... the Spanish seem to be following a "one rule for us..." policy.

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faded glory, you're forgetting about the relations Morocco has with Algeria... they are way too close to war there. Morocco might be the most western country of the Arab world, they are very military minded. And that gives me the creeps, I'm certainly not laughing on the events of the past few days. Of course they are insignificant strategically speaking, but what internal politics are concerned... ouch. It could be a sign of what is yet to come (I hope not, I like the country a lot!)

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"EU offers Spain only half-hearted backing


BRUSSELS, July 17 (Reuters) - The European Union offered Spain only half-hearted backing on Wednesday after its armed forces ousted Moroccan troops from a disputed island, with France apparently the most reluctant to give its support.

European Commission President Romano Prodi failed conspicuously to endorse the bloodless action to retake Perejil island off Morocco's Mediterranean coast, a day after the Brussels EU executive had called for a diplomatic solution.

When EU ambassadors met to discuss a common stance, diplomats said France, the former colonial master in most of Morocco, prevented the 15-nation Union issuing a joint statement.

A statement from Prodi he wanted to facilitate a dialogue between the two nations. He later issued a second statement clarifying that he was not offering to be a mediator.

"The Commission is concerned about events on Perejil island. It is now time to return to the status quo ante and to resume dialogue between Spain and Morocco," Prodi told reporters. Neither statement made any mention of the military action.

The French argued it was a bilateral matter, not a dispute between the EU and Morocco and there had already been too many statements, the diplomats said.

Moroccan soldiers set up a camp on the uninhabited island last Thursday in what Rabat said was increased patrolling against human traffickers and drug smugglers.

Spain informed its EU partners about the military recapture of the rocky outcrop, stressed it did not intend to keep troops on the island and was willing to enter a dialogue with Rabat to maintain fruitful relations, one diplomat said.

"They want a solution through dialogue and all the EU partners welcomed this," he said.

In Madrid, Spanish Foreign Minister Ana Palacio said Madrid's objective was also to return to the status quo ante with Morocco over the island and that it would remove its troops as soon as possible.

Morocco has demanded the immediate withdrawal of the Spanish troops. "

Just picked that off the AP

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Deepo, as far as I know. Morrocco has a very large military. Im not sure of the specifics, if someone could grab a link for future reference.


I dont know much about the nation. Other than the island disputes. Ive heard its very liberal for that part of the world. Again, I doubt it will lead to war. Im not laughing either, its a serouis matter. But these things happen, wars happen, disputes happen.

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Ceuta and Melilla has NEVER been a part of Morocco State a great difference with Gibraltar

Gibraltar is a colony, and an international agreement regulates the conditions, repeatedly violated for UK during the past 20th century.

Ceuta and Melilla are so Spanish as Seville or Burgos





¿carrier? yes, but a little carrier

A lot of si*** posts more seriousness

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Well, I have to admit that until I read the stories on the wires, I wasn't aware that Spain maintained a foothold in Morocco proper via the two enclave cities of Ceuta and Melilla.

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Morocco invades Spain!

Well, sort of. Apparently, 12 Moroccan soldiers landed on some Spanish island...

...The mighty Spanish have now defeated the 6 Moroccan soldiers and reoccupied the island!!!

So the remaining 6 Moroccans have infiltrated the native population, disguised as goats.

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It is time for the brave Morroccan freedom fighters to liberate this 100 yards of rocky crag from the despotic spector of Spanish imperialism.

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...Morroccan freedom fighters...


an army of a dictatorship



quote:
despotic spector of Spanish imperialism.


a democracy of de EU

despotic? despotic against our citizens? despotic against a rock?

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don't you get it ? the whole thread is a ****ing joke .

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a democracy of de EU

despotic? despotic against our citizens? despotic against a rock?
He should have said idiotic and hypocritical. By what right do you demand the return of a piece of rock off your coast but refuse to return a piece of rock off the coast of Morocco.

 
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