15-07-2002 22:09									#1
	Championship Manager ?s Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I asked about this over at Civfanatics, and have been ignored. So back to Apolyton...

CM sounds like fun, and many players obviously like it. Is it worth buying? Basically, I only have a few hours a week to spend goofing off - is it easy enough to learn that it would be reasonable to learn it quickly? Not necessarily to get good, but at least to understand what I'm doing?

Thanks for any comments

	15-07-2002 22:44									#2
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YES YES YES YES YES!!!!



It is far and away the best football management game out there IMHO. I've played all the versions of it so far and each one is an improvement on the last.

How easy is it to learn? hmm ... well, it is a VERY stat-heavy game, which some people hate, and has almost no graphical eye-candy (absolutely none, in fact, the match screens are text-only).
In essence it is a big football-based calculator, but it is perhaps the most addictive game in the world for me.

If you like football and like football management games in general, don't mind a game with no pretty graphics, don't mind spending a while wondering whether your current striker with a Finishing score of 18 and Pace of 10 is going to be more effective than another one with Pace of 18 and Finishing of 10 ... and don't mind staying up all night trying to take Mansfield out of the Third Division, and don't mind boring your friends with tales of how you took Aberdeen from relegation-candidate obscurity in the Scottish League to 2-time Champion's League winners and World Club Champions in 7 seasons (I did that ) ... then you should love it.

If you want a cheaper option then you should get Championship Manager 3, there is a version of it for the 01/02 season (in a red box IIRC), and it adds a few new features beyond the updated teams and players.

However, Championship Manager 4 should be out towards the end of the year, and promises to be very good. Maybe you should pick up #3 cheap now, and if you love it then you can get #4 when it is released.

GET IT!!!!!

	15-07-2002 23:03									#3
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

if i've spent 100 hours playing civ games, i've also spend anoth 60 hours playing the CM series

you dont need to understand everything to play it, just make sure you get one of the best teams in the world at first

in short: get it, get it, get it!

	15-07-2002 23:15									#4
	Got spare money?

Yeah, that's right Markos ... if you play as Manchester United or Real Madrid you don't need to understand everything. All you have to do then is just pick the best players, buy more great players with all the money you have, and send them out onto the pitch.

60 hours Markos? .... ... n00b! ...

Marquis de Sodaq: you might want to visit the official site at http://www.sigames.com

	15-07-2002 23:27									#5
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FP, in case i wasnt understood, it's of course many more than 60 hours
the number was given as a comparison to hours spend on civ

	15-07-2002 23:42									#6
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* FrustratedPoet re-reads MarkG's first post.

* FrustratedPoet slaps himself in the head.

oh yeah .... sorry ... didn't see the "if" at the start of the post.

	15-07-2002 23:54									#7
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The game is better than Civ, if you love footie that is. I play in three different swedish online leauges weekly and it really is the ultimate CM experience.

For any of you swedish CM-players that feel like getting into a community get yourselves over here

	16-07-2002 00:48									#8
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I love football, I like statistics, I love games. I suppose I ought to buy it! The missus is buying a landscape design software, so I thought this would be a grand opportunity to justify a worthy purchase. With no game graphics, she just might think I'm actually working.

I've seen the official site, and came away not sure of what I just saw. So many player updates and such listed. Are these strictly optional? Is it okay to play 8 seasons of footie with the set of stats that comes with the game?

On a related note, has anyone tried to take Real or Manchester and run them into the ground? Burn all the money and manage to sink them to the 2nd division? That might take some skill, too.

	16-07-2002 00:57									#9
	Got spare money?

You can play the original game for as much as you want all updates or optional, the original game has very few bugs. YouŽd surely get the sack before being able to get those rich clubs down in the divisional system though.

	16-07-2002 02:14									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Wille You can play the original game for as much as you want all updates are optional, the original game has very few bugs. YouŽd surely get the sack before being able to get those rich clubs down in the divisional system though.

	16-07-2002 02:21									#11
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Oops, sorry about that. Give me post reduction or whatever or just let it be, I was meaning to edit my post.

	16-07-2002 02:38									#12
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CM is a very good game, I have really enjoyed it.

(the Apolyton website is much better than anything CM related)

I found it to be too easy with the big teams, but great fun when starting with a lower division side. Also a great way to learn more about some players/leagues you don't now follow.

One recommendation - just start the game with one or two leagues active, otherwise it takes a long time to save and run, even with a state of the art system.

	16-07-2002 03:55									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq I've seen the official site, and came away not sure of what I just saw. So many player updates and such listed. Are these strictly optional? Is it okay to play 8 seasons of footie with the set of stats that comes with the game?

I know man ... I know ...

They changed the design of the site a couple of months ago and it really really sucks now. What were they thinking?!?!?!?!?

Yes, the updates are strictly optional. The game is free of any critical bugs and really should run fine with the out-of-the-box version.

You might want to download a patch that updates the team and player rosters for the end of the 01/02 season, since the original version will be a little out-of-date now, it's up to you, though. Once you have played 5 or 6 seasons from the beginning all the teams will have changed beyond all recognition anyway.

I've never found a major bug, but often when I play games in the English league Middlesborough, Southampton, Sunderland and Everton seem to emerge (along with whatever team I'm playing - usually Tottenham ) as the best teams after 5 or more seasons, whereas Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd fade into mid-table. This is a little bit odd, as it seems to happen every time .... but I hate Liv, Ars and ManU anyway so I don't care.

HINT: If you get the season 01/02 version I have this bit of advice for you: BUY RONALDINHO FROM PARIS ST.GERMAIN!!!!! ... pay any price they ask ... he is a God!!!
(except when he takes free-kicks against England - that f**king b*****d! )

	16-07-2002 04:01									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG FP, in case i wasnt understood, it's of course many more than 60 hours the number was given as a comparison to hours spend on civ

60% of the time, then.

How about making a ChampMan fan-site?

(seriously, though, the official site is awful and I've never found a good fan-site in English, although the Swedish one Wille linked to looked good ... anybody know of one? ... or will I have to keep bothering Markos about it? )

	16-07-2002 18:01									#15
	Got spare money?

Thanks for the responses! Now to convince la marquise it is a good idea...

	17-07-2002 03:26									#16
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HINT: If you get the season 01/02 version I have this bit of advice for you: BUY RONALDINHO FROM PARIS ST.GERMAIN!!!!! ... pay any price they ask ... he is a God!!!

Player tipping - red card...opps wrong forum

Its probably the best sports management game out there but i still find it limited in the feedback it gives. If i change my tactics am i winning because of better tactics or because my goalie is having a good day ? Sometimes its never clear.

I found some of the official forums pretty good especially 'Your Shout' where Sports Interactive often hang out. Other forums can be a bit hit and miss. Lower League is pretty narrow in its focus and tactics often looks like an email chain letter with people offering 'unbeatable tactics - email me now !'

	20-07-2002 21:46									#17
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No he isn't. You want Arjen Robben or Roque Santa Cruz.

	21-07-2002 10:00									#18
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Wait for CM4 in september/october.
if you do get 01/02, buy Tó Madeira, CHEAP, HE is (lower league) God

	21-07-2002 15:36									#19
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Isn't he a scout who put himself in the game for fun?

	21-07-2002 15:39									#20
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Im not sure if it was confirmed he was a scout or a friend of one of the scouts for the game, but yeah hes fictional. I think they even confirmed it with the clubs chairman.

	21-07-2002 16:42									#21
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CM is not compatable with XP. (CM4 presumably will be).

Or at least whenever I have tried to play on XP it seems to think I have insufficient memory. I have 1Gb of RAM. If anyone knows why, or how to get around the problem, please let me know.

	21-07-2002 16:47									#22
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quote: I have Windows 2000/XP and get an "Out of memory" error This is a bug in the Win2k/XP operating system, there is a work around available from Microsoft. Copied and pasted from a previous link: << Go to microsoft and download and install the application compatibility toolkit for XP, im not sure of the link but do a search in the knowledge base. There are simlar program compatability toolkit and associated application for both windows XP and windows 2k They're around 1.54mb in size. Win XP http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads...ompositedoc.xml

Hope that helps.

	21-07-2002 17:05									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin CM is not compatable with XP. (CM4 presumably will be).

Whoops, I'd better stop playing 01/02 on XP, then.

	22-07-2002 03:25									#24
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII Whoops, I'd better stop playing 01/02 on XP, then.

No need to rub it in when he was helped in the post above.

	22-07-2002 07:14									#25
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

If you are just starting with the CM series buy cm'97. One of the best around. CM3 is not that good IMHO but the next evolutions are vast vast improvements. (Hmm this sounds familiar )
btw: the SIgames community is very good aswell!! (again, very familiar).
Been playing this one for about 10 years now, still one of my favorites. can't wait until cm4 comes out ( should be next year) with a 2d graphic match engine

and eugh yes eugh you need LOT'S of time !!!

	23-07-2002 22:07									#26
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII Whoops, I'd better stop playing 01/02 on XP, then.

When I checked with eidos they said that they do not support CM on XP, so I presumed the error I got was from lack of support/patch. Besides I put a caveat in my post..

	23-07-2002 22:08									#27
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Academic point, but I don't have CM01/02, only 00/01.

	24-07-2002 10:19									#28
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You aren't missing much. I think that was one of the smallest gaps of any update in the CM3 series. All thats different is, fog of war(attribute masking), new EU system and compare player feature. Nothing to write home about. But as always with these things, its the new database that makes it more enjoyable. Good that they only charge Ł20 for each update. More than worth it for all the time invested in it. A good argument for Civ3.

	24-07-2002 10:40									#29
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So, to the outsider, Civ sounds incredibly dull. To me, CM as a concept sounds incredibly dull, too. Given that I learnt to love Civ so much, am I doing myself a major disservice by not ever trying a CM game?

...or are they for English Football junkies only?

	24-07-2002 11:56									#30
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I dont know many people who play CM who dont support a football team, evem semi-religeously. Not just English either. Thats not to say you have to play as your fav team to enjoy it, but people with a good grounding in the sport will get more from it. True it looks dull, but thats because its all about the numbers and incredible depth to it. If you support a team then you HAVE to try this game, if not, then theres more important games.