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Shi Huangdi
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Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
time: 00:20
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"You are just pissed because you got slammed dunk hard and fast by me over each and every confrontation we ever had."
Hahahahahahahahahaha, you are a pathetic troll. I sent you into a complete frenzy last time when I explained to the visiting Turk how you are a right-wing nationalist. Or how about the time I exposed you as a CIA agent? I crush you just like Kemal Ataturk crush you.
"The ottoman empire was crumbling anyway."
You still haven't given us any neutral sources regarding the Greek War of Independence to go against the common historical belief that Greece was saved by allies.
" You wouldn;t know "ignorance" if it bited you in the ass Shi!"
Sorry pattycakes. You said something that was blatanty wrong, and I corrected your idoicy. You lose.
"The only "proof" you have for that is Fulmaier."
Sorry, Boshko has already shown you to be wrong, their have been many threads about this already. It is just so funny in order to back yourself up you go to a letter to the editory. 
"It's just that supporters of fascism and tirtures as well as genocide and murders of political prisoners turn my stomach."
Proof is in his own words, people. Paitkis admits my trolling gets to him!
"You hate Greeks with a passion."
No. I love MarkG.  And I love you, too . You bring so much laughter into my life!
"meanwhile you keep supporting a murderous regime, namely that of Turkey"
I wonder how many more time Pattycakes will shriek out "You support Turkey! You are a murderer"
"So yes you are qualified for being called a murderer of peoples."
 Murderer of peoples? You know that would make a good sig!
"Plus, i think it pisses you off BIG TIME that Turkey is in shreds both economically as well as socially and politically while Greece is going forward at full speed."
Nope, so long as Turkey continues to support USA dominance in the Middle East I am fine. It makes it easier though Turkey being a democratic state.
"Which is it?"
Entertainment value.
About Kurdistan, say what you want, but there is certainly no genocide there. Considering how the KLA was defeated and Turkey occupies Kurdistan and STILL Kurds make up 20% of Turkey's population show that Greek claims of Genocide are lies.
Have a nice day, my friend Paitkis. 
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Bereta_Eder
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Hahahahahahahahahaha, you are a pathetic troll. I sent you into a complete frenzy last time when I explained to the visiting Turk how you are a right-wing nationalist. Or how about the time I exposed you as a CIA agent? I crush you just like Kemal Ataturk crush you. |
No comment needed here I think. The empathy is obvious
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You still haven't given us any neutral sources regarding the Greek War of Independence to go against the common historical belief that Greece was saved by allies. |
There is no such perception in Greek, international or even turkish historians.
It would do your dilusional mind some good not to interpet your fantasies or trollings as undisputated reality
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Sorry pattycakes. You said something that was blatanty wrong, and I corrected your idoicy. You lose. |
I said that Turkey roled over and played dead which is exactly what happened. Meanwhile the ontribution of Greece was immense condering its size. And that you can't refute either.
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Sorry, Boshko has already shown you to be wrong, their have been many threads about this already. It is just so funny in order to back yourself up you go to a letter to the editory. |
First, you dont have to apoligize so frequently.
Second Boshko trolled and was called on it. For all other info see my previous post, little deranged turk
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Proof is in his own words, people. Paitkis admits my trolling gets to him! |
Yes, it bothers me when people support tortures and massacres. I already said so. Its not you so dont take it as a praise. It is a general repulsion Ihave to these sort of people. Luckily they are very few, Namely in Poly, only you.
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No. I love MarkG. And I love you, too . You bring so much laughter into my life! |
hmm, I think that this time I have you really cornerned 
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I wonder how many more time Pattycakes will shriek out "You support Turkey! You are a murderer" |
You thrive on tortures and murders committed by Turkey. You will hear it every time you do this. Untill you stop.
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Murderer of peoples? You know that would make a good sig! |
Thanks But due credit is to go to the european left wing It is the one calling people like you this. I just thought it was 100% appropriate for you
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Nope, so long as Turkey continues to support USA dominance in the Middle East I am fine. It makes it easier though Turkey being a democratic state. |
Oh, I think it does bother you. And Turkey is not a democratic state by any means. But keep your propaganda, noones buying it anymore anyway.
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Entertainment value. |
And yet you seemlike you try to fight a bad curse
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About Kurdistan, say what you want, but there is certainly no genocide there. Considering how the KLA was defeated and Turkey occupies Kurdistan and STILL Kurds make up 20% of Turkey's population show that Greek claims of Genocide are lies. |
The EU talks about slaughters of civilians and this is true. Kurds will constitute 40% of turkey's population in 2020 so kurdish independence is coming despite the better efforts of Turkey's paramilitary whoch murdered tons of civilians through the years.
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Have a nice day, my friend Paitkis. |
If you cant beat them, join them huh?
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Faeelin
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Tau Ceti
Oct 2001
time: 05:20
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Originally posted by VetLegion
actually, jenisaries (janjicari) were not only a greek-turkish phenomenon, turks stole children from mothers in the entire balkans. later, they would become a significant force in turkish politics, but their initial purpose was to be fanatical soldiers. and they were.
but it was a very very cruel practice. it fits to modern definition of genocide. |
Yes, it was very, very, very bad.
But:
Janissaries had oppurtunities for massive social advancement, and would later on be essential in dictating the sultan himself.
Not to make light of it, of course. But considering how they weren't converted by the sword (as was the standard practice in Spain with the inquisition), and were free from all other military service, it wasn't as if they were enslaved.
Besides that, all the Ottomans demanded of the greeks were higher taxes.
For all the insults the Ottomans are getting, get this:
CHRISTIAN SERFS FLED TO THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE ACROSS THE BORDER.
I hate to say this in caps, but the point has to be made. These people knew the difference between bad and worse. This was not a one time occurrence, either. In every situation where the Ottomans bordered Christians, this happened.
You're calling the only culture in Europe at the time that allowed multiple religions, besieged Vienna, defeated Venice, encouraged the arts, and built what was once one of the greatest cities in Europe barbaric?
Here's a quote, btw, about the reaction of the Ottoman entrance into Athens:
"o the Ottomans it was known as the "city of the wise," and Mehmed, their "wise and great Philhellene monarch" was duly impressed by its relics of classical antiquity. He especially admired the Acropolis. He treated the Athenians magnanimously, confirming their civil liberties and exemption from taxes, but delighted them especially... by granting priveliges to the Orthodox clergy".
Oh, here's a choice bit:
"Hencefoward Pax Ottomanica reigned there, replacing the feuds of the Franks, while the Greek people were treated with reasonable tolerance-unburdened with excessive taxation, exempted from the tribute of children, permitted freedom to trade and to elect their own local government."
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Bereta_Eder
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well since vetlegion isnot around I dont see why not replying to you.
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Originally posted by Faeelin
Yes, it was very, very, very bad. |
Small cchildren were teared away from the arms of their crying mothers AGAIN AND AGAIN and you call that too bad?
I think there's something wrong with your morality.
Let's see your apologes for these horrors
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Janissaries had oppurtunities for massive social advancement, and would later on be essential in dictating the sultan himself. |
So you say that all the tother people lived in poverty. You are correct.
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Not to make light of it, of course. But considering how they weren't converted by the sword (as was the standard practice in Spain with the inquisition), and were free from all other military service, it wasn't as if they were enslaved. |
They were stolen from the embrace of their mothers faeelin. get this through your thick skull.
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Besides that, all the Ottomans demanded of the greeks were higher taxes. |
no comment. There have been plenty of massacres and horros in the ottoam occupation. Saying that all they wanted was taxes is some kind of crap revisionist propaganda.
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For all the insults the Ottomans are getting, get this:
CHRISTIAN SERFS FLED TO THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE ACROSS THE BORDER. |
BULLSHIT BYZANTINES FLED TO VENICE AND ITALY TO GET AWAY FROM THE SAVAGES!
Are you of this planet Faeelin?
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You're calling the only culture in Europe at the time that allowed multiple religions, besieged Vienna, defeated Venice, |
Yues. Barbarians CAN defeat civilized people. Happened with Rome too. But the turks were even MORE barbarians
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encouraged the arts, and built what was once one of the greatest cities in Europe barbaric? |
ROTFLMAO encouraged what arts?
And Constantinople was alrady there. They turned it into one big ass islamic bazaar, hardly an achievement
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"o the Ottomans it was known as the "city of the wise," and Mehmed, their "wise and great Philhellene monarch" was duly impressed by its relics of classical antiquity. He especially admired the Acropolis. He treated the Athenians magnanimously, confirming their civil liberties and exemption from taxes, but delighted them especially... by granting priveliges to the Orthodox clergy". |
The same clergy which the turks later massacred.
And you make an invasion which as any had murders liberation. Carry on little fool 
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"Hencefoward Pax Ottomanica reigned there, replacing the feuds of the Franks, while the Greek people were treated with reasonable tolerance-unburdened with excessive taxation, exempted from the tribute of children, permitted freedom to trade and to elect their own local government." |
Greeks were always better treated than the rest of the Balkan people by the Ottomans.
that does not mean they were not treated badly and that the islamic ottoman culture was not oppresive uninovative and dark compared to what was happening in Europe, little fool
You can now close your 3rd grade turkish book of history
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Faeelin
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Tau Ceti
Oct 2001
time: 05:20
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Of course Paik. I apologize for quoting a book which is universally praised for its objectivity, clarity, and insight into the Ottoman Empire.
I will now sit in a corner and wait for the lecture about how Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.
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Bereta_Eder
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Praied for its objectivity clarity and insight. and universally no less.
What you quoted doesnt say anything of substance now does it?. and what you have failed to "quote" is the whole deal my friend and thats what I did.
I find it simply amazing that you could even DREAM of comparing the darkness and opreesiveness the lethargy and slumbness of islamic ottoman "culture" with the renessance, the age of enlightment and the advancement of sciences that was going on in Europe.
That Europe from which we were forcefully detached for 400 years and thrown into a dark and "dead" culture by european standads.
I think your next masterpiece will be the denial of the holocaust.
i'm sure there must be a great book about that too.
What a joke faeelin. get a grip
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Shi Huangdi
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Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
time: 00:20
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"hmm, I think that this time I have you really cornerned"
"If you cant beat them, join them huh?"
"BTW Shi seems to have left the arena bruised yet one more time."
"Shi is the one who got it up the (ahem) hard though and now it has become a habbit for him."
Amazing! Paitkis claims victory 4 seperate times in response to his post. Who is he trying to convince, himself? He doesn't seem like he is doing a very good job of it- saying you win doesn't make it so.
"There is no such perception in Greek, international or even turkish historians."
Sorry, only large scale foreign intervention would be enough to let Greece to prevail. Failing that- it would be a repeat of what Ataturk did to the Greeks.
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I said that Turkey roled over and played dead which is exactly what happened."
You said Turkey did nothing. You were wrong. Twist is as you like, I was right you were wrong.
"Second Boshko trolled and was called on it. For all other info see my previous post, little deranged turk"
You still haven't provided any independent sources claiming you are the descendants of the ancient Greeks, Mr. Slav
"You will hear it every time you do this. Untill you stop."
Which is exactly why I won't stop. So I can keep laughing.
"Thanks"
No, thank you! Sig edited!
"And Turkey is not a democratic state by any means."
Which is why their are elections, change in power between political parties, power that is contested. (If the position of PM is just a puppet position, why is their recently such fierce competition over it)? Turkey is indeed a democracy, no matter how much you try to lie about it.
"Kurds will constitute 40% of turkey's population in 2020 so kurdish independence is coming despite the better efforts of Turkey's paramilitary whoch murdered tons of civilians through the years"
Genocide isn't as difficult as you have mentioned. The Turkish military was victrious in Kurdistan- it would be a simple matter to kill them. But they haven't, because this talk of Genocide is just a Greek lie. Heck, if there really is a genocide of the Kurdish people, how can you explain the numbers of Kurds living side by side with the Turks in Western Turkey near Ankara? You'd figure if there was genocide they wouldn't go right near to the capital to live amongst their murderers.
And didn't Greece help in capturing the Kurdish leader or something?
"BTW you really dont know me and your observations are not very penetrating as I see, so you might as well give up "
Sorry, Imran has got you here. You pretend to be a lefty, but you clearly on the far-right. You have made several racist comments against Turks, and it is easy for anyone to see you are an ultra-nationalist. I don't blame you though, the Greek education system well explains your hate.
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And yet you seemlike you try to fight a bad curse"
If I really did see you as a curse, why would I continually troll you on every thread on Greece on Turkey? Clearly you are not someone who I feel any need to avoid.
The fact is, Paitkis, my trolling has already got you, and you admit it. You have made angry post after post, often taking more then one post to counter me, that has been to my great amusement. Once again, Thank you my friend.
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Faeelin
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Tau Ceti
Oct 2001
time: 05:20
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Paik, you've effectively stood up and called a renowned scholar (who's also written a flattering book on Greece, btw) a liar, compared his teachings to the holocaust deniers, and indirectly referred to me as a neonazi. Rather than explaining how the points are true, you've simply said they aren't, without providing any references to back it up.
I stand corrected, take my hat off to you, and will henceforth never, ever, bother to debate with you again.
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Bereta_Eder
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faeelin, i said that the quotes mean nothing, and they dont. since they dont show the whole deal.
as for the holocaust, yes you got that right.
i prospoe you get rid your hat competely since it obstracts basic brain functions such as understanding written language
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Bereta_Eder
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As for my lack of sources, well I dont think there is any argument against the fact that european enlightment cannot be compared with ottoman "culture".
except maybe in revisionist america?
this sort of quality statements do not really require any answer.
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Bereta_Eder
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The rest is Shi saying the same rants over and over again. And trying to look like he's enjoying himself counting the number of my posts.
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Faeelin
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Tau Ceti
Oct 2001
time: 05:20
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Ahem Paik.
i never said it was better. I'm saying your constant deridement and trashing of the Ottoman Empire is unjustified.
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