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Inverse Icarus
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flying too low to the ground
May 2001
time: 00:20
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case teal's (originally pink) production queue is nearing an end.
in 6 turns, apolyton shall have finished 2 spearmen for the main stack, and it's part of case pink is done with. the turn after, Termia finishes an archer, and it's queue is also empty.
assuming the road network is completed by the time the last archer is built in termina, it will take an additional 3 turns for the archer to reach the rest of the stack.
The entire attack force, 6 archers and 2 spearmen, will be ready to move out in a total of 10 turns.
We must turn our attention towards the production queues for the cities now.
Possible Objectives
- Secondary (replenishing) Army
- Colonization of coquered lands (Settlers)
- Exploring Uber Isle (Galley)
Tassagrad and Banana HQ are building the much needed barracks. They should be allowed to finish.
I would like a second (smaller) army to be created after this, say 4 archers and 1 spearman. After we take Washigton, 1 spearmen and a few archers (maybe 1 or 2) will garrison, and the remaining army will charge New York. the smakller army would meet them and combine after NY falls.
Apolyton and Termina will be producig Spears/Archers every 4 turns at that point, so the small army would take 20 turns to raise, but probably less time, because HQ will have its barracks done by then.
I also suggest we factor in a galley somewhere. settlers could also be put in to fit... i have to go now and cant crunch the numbers.
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mtgillespie
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Manchester, England
Oct 2001
time: 05:20
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Should we not wait until the invasion of america, get mapmaking from the americans when they sue for peace, and build our galley then? We should not slow down our military production before the war, especially as it may be for nothing. Don't forget, we cannot safely traverse the sea, so we may need more than one galley to even reach the far coastline, and we definitely will to safely get a settler across, using Uber's idea.
This is copied from the new land thread.
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I think keeping military production on the same level would be appropriate. If, for some reason, our attack on America fails, it would be nice (read: necessary) to have backup forces ready in the event of a counterattack. And if the attack is successful (as we're all hoping), we could use the new forces to help defend any new land we conquer/found.
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Sheik
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We should replenish our army. If we are going to war then we should make sure we are very prepared for anything that may happen.
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Robber Baron
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Commonwealth of Commonsense
Jun 2002
time: 00:20
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The temptation, of course, is to say "all of the above."
But we need to prioritize carefully.
A lot will depend on how the first strike fares. If we take a lot of casualties, we will need to frantically build up a second military force capable of protecting our homeland and hopefully regaing the initiative.
Assuming we do take Washington with only 2-3 casualties, my guess, looking over the map, will be that we would want to keep most of the surviving Washington assault team up north to blunt the American counterattack and keep American forces from concentrating south in or below NY. Which means, I think, that we still want to be pumping archers and 1 more spear. Until we sue for peace, I would stay focused on military production.
That's my 2 bits, anyway.
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Papa Chubby
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Iceland
Jun 2002
time: 05:20
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I agree with the overall sentiment shared by the previous posts, military production should not be halted before the conflict. Though we should leave room for 1, at least, settler to be built. So that we can simply throw him after the invasion force to build a city. We should also wait with aquiring Mapmaking, hoping to get it in the transaction with the Americans, assuming that everything goes as we want it to. Then we could build the Galley as we are prepering to invade the French.
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Originally posted by Robber Baron
Maybe that's the real question here: once we've made peace with America, do we stay in total mobilization mode and move right to the French , or do we delay that attack long enough to be able to divert production for exploration and settlement of the New Land? |
The sentiments in this thread sum up the plans for a possible second war with France. Waiting just long enough to get one settler/galley/spearman trio shouldn't take TOO long, and we could probably get them going before the French get too far ahead of us.
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Papa Chubby
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Iceland
Jun 2002
time: 05:20
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Would it not simply be a waste of resourcess to build such an overkill of such ancient units, essentially deplorable attackers. I thought we were going to go with 2 armies, 2 spearmen 4-5 Archers. I think I read somewhere that that is what UberKraux demands as the minimum task force. After building up the army we could devote more cities to building settlers and galleys and improvements.....etc.
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Inverse Icarus
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flying too low to the ground
May 2001
time: 00:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Papa Chubby
Would it not simply be a waste of resourcess to build such an overkill of such ancient units, essentially deplorable attackers. I thought we were going to go with 2 armies, 2 spearmen 4-5 Archers. I think I read somewhere that that is what UberKraux demands as the minimum task force. After building up the army we could devote more cities to building settlers and galleys and improvements.....etc. |
the 2 armies was trip's plan eagle. i have stated time and time again that we do not have time to build two large armies.
we are going to attack washington with 2 spears and 6 archers. we will only lose 1 or 2 archers on the assault (bananna willing).
the remaining units will garrison washington until everyone is healed.
in the meantime (while the units are healing) i'd like a smaller army to be built up (1 spear and 3 archers MINIMUM). this army would attack NY along with the main stack and combine after it falls.
the way i see it, their capital will probably be boston. from what we see, Philly is all jungle, and NY will probably also be mostly jungle. the capital might escape to Boston after Washington falls, and if it escapes to NY, it will definately be Boston after we take NY.
after that, we sweep back and raze Philly, leavig them with Boston (and any cities they build in the future).
This leaves us with a decent parcel of land we could colonize. we will need settlers shortly after our secod army is up, to colonize the area near philly, ad to secure the dyes/iron to our north.
i fear persia and germany are also looking at that area, so we need to get there fast.
the galley can wait a little, but mind you, it has to be done sooner rather than later.
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Guardian
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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
time: 06:20
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quote:
Originally posted by skywalker
We should build 2nd and 3rd Armies, as per my post in the Plan Jackal thread. We should also build a Settler and 2-3 Galleys for the Uber Gambit. |
What, with only 3 or 4 productive cities??
I don't think so.
While we're busy preparing to take more land, somebody else will move back in and settle a good chunk of the land we've already taken. Thus, we're gonna have to take it a second time if we want it, and by the time we've done that and replenished our losses, our archers are going to be up against pikemen and knights...
No, we need to make sure we take full advantage of Case Teal, and we can't do that unless we consolidate our position on that land before somebody else has a chance to come in and steal it from us - which we can't do if we're too busy churning out armies for an immediate second strike.
We need to build a second, smaller army to replenish our losses and help secure our new holdings, but we also need - as Sir Ralph said - to build at least 2 settlers and maybe some temples to keep our development from stagnating. A couple of workers wouldn't hurt either.
I'm not saying we're not gonna need more land, I'm just saying we need to chew and swallow before taking another bite.
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Donal Graeme
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California
Jul 2002
time: 21:20
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We haven't even attacked America yet, and people are already talking about knocking out France?? !!
First off, something confused me. Sir Ralph talked about getting peace with America in 8 turns. First off, I though this was a war to the knife, and knife to the hilt. (Genocide, essentially). I think that leaving the Americans with any city, except philadelphia, would be a bad idea. We are going to nab Washington, and NY, but Boston happens to be in the best spot of them all. We should build 2 settlers while we are capturing D.C. and NY, and then raze Boston(its poorly positioned). Then move the two settlers in and we have two fairly effective cities.
I think that a war with France at this point would be too much. We have already taxed our resources by going for Lincoln, and frankly, Joan is the most peaceful of leaders. Ergo we want her on her border, and not someone like the Zulu. We should consolidate after Teal, and build up our empire. Then, in the early midieveal, before Gunpowder, possibily vassalize the French. IMO, however, they would be the best of possible neighbors. I think exploration should be our priority, and expansion, so that by the late midieval we are equal with everyone else, and can knock out Bismark.
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Donal Graeme
First off, something confused me. Sir Ralph talked about getting peace with America in 8 turns. First off, I though this was a war to the knife, and knife to the hilt. (Genocide, essentially). I think that leaving the Americans with any city, except philadelphia, would be a bad idea. |
Well, Ralph and others, myself included, are still advocating a mere pruning of America. It is likely that if we manage to take ALL their cities, they will respawn elsewhere on the map anyway. May as well leave them where we can get at them later. Plus, who knows what kind of cash, tech, and cities we can obtain form peace that would otherwise have been lost.
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Sir Ralph
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Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
time: 06:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Donal Graeme
First off, something confused me. Sir Ralph talked about getting peace with America in 8 turns. First off, I though this was a war to the knife, and knife to the hilt. (Genocide, essentially). I think that leaving the Americans with any city, except philadelphia, would be a bad idea. We are going to nab Washington, and NY, but Boston happens to be in the best spot of them all. We should build 2 settlers while we are capturing D.C. and NY, and then raze Boston(its poorly positioned). Then move the two settlers in and we have two fairly effective cities. |
The thing is... you conquer more cities, if you make peace in time. It's very hard to conquer AI cities in the ancient age. As soon as they reach size 2 and are at war, they immediately poprush an archer or a spearman and are size 1 again. Since they have (except the capital) no culture at all, they will be autorazed on capture. Mostly it's possible to capture only the capital.
But, if you hit the AI hard by taking a city (the capital) and (auto)razing another, it will give you most likely a city for peace. A city, that otherwise would have been autorazed if we attacked it, we get for free, without battle. Sometimes even 2! The biggest skill during war in Civ3 is not to fight well with your forces and attack a lot of cities, but to make peace in time, when it is most profitable. Check often the diplomenu during war, see, what they are willing to give you for peace, and if it does not match your expectations, just fight one more turn.
Now, if you leave the AI intact (with 1-2 cities), they will build 2 more cities in the next 20 turns. They are much weaker than you and won't attack, don't worry. After 20 turns the peace treaty expires and can be cancelled. War again, take 1 city, raze one and/or get one for peace, rinse, repeat. Simple and effective. You "grow" into his territory, leaving him with a maximum of 4-5 cities. If you kill the civ too early, you won't get these benefits.
Now, what will you do in the 20 turns you have to wait for the peace treaty to expire? Simple! Pick on another civ. France.
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