17-07-2002 23:51									#1
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Alright folks, the age old question, which is it, Istanbul or Constantinople?

And for this thread, let's allow it to be someone else's buisness other than the Turks for once.

	17-07-2002 23:56									#2
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Istanbul.

it was renamed by it's captors.

besides, Constantinople is a dumb name

	17-07-2002 23:58									#3
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What is the point of this poll?

Is it New York or Niew Amsterdam?

London or Londoninium?

Mexico or Tenochtitlán?

	17-07-2002 23:59									#4
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I do wish that the Mexicans would bring back Tenochtitlan now that you bring it up.

	18-07-2002 00:05									#5
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I do wish that the Mexicans would bring back Tenochtitlan now that you bring it up.

Why? Because it's harder to spell?

	18-07-2002 00:06									#6
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Definitely Byzantium. Solely because it's a cool name

	18-07-2002 00:07									#7
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a smart man would notice that instabul has a greek origin

	18-07-2002 00:10									#8
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"It's nobody's business but the Turks." - They Might Be Giants

-Arrian

	18-07-2002 00:12									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG a smart man would notice that instabul has a greek origin

why would a smart man care to know anything of greece?

	18-07-2002 00:13									#10
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What about all the greeks living there?

And yes, Istanbul is not a turkic word.

	18-07-2002 00:26									#11
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constantinople.

also refered to as Polis by the greeks.

turks hearing greeks say "pame is tin polin"

which means " we go to the City"

is tin polin -> istinpol -> istanbul.


dan, after the pogroms of the Turks against The Greeks living in Constantinople in the '50s there are not so many Greeks there anymore.


Although, there is a huge tourism of Greeks going there every year.

	18-07-2002 00:30									#12
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Next, we'll debate whether people who want a rock to wind a piece of string about or the people who wear prosthetic foreheads on their heads deserve to have their playhouse burnt down.

	18-07-2002 00:32									#13
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Prosthetic foreheads are cool! You foreheadist!

	18-07-2002 00:43									#14
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You failed to include its other name: New Rome.

	18-07-2002 00:48									#15
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 constantinople. also refered to as Polis by the greeks. turks hearing greeks say "pame is tin polin" which means " we go to the City" is tin polin -> istinpol -> istanbul. dan, after the pogroms of the Turks against The Greeks living in Constantinople in the '50s there are not so many Greeks there anymore. Although, there is a huge tourism of Greeks going there every year.

Life is full of ironies, ain't it?

Turks don't believe me when I tell 'em that! But then it's our culture and language that does it all!

	18-07-2002 00:52									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Ned You failed to include its other name: New Rome.

Naaaa
It is better using the latin version name:
Nova Roma

Seriously.... I don't care what's the name of the city.
Byzanthium, Constantinopoli or Istambul..... it is always the same city... no matter how you name it

Saluti

	18-07-2002 00:55									#17
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Too bad the Turks were in no position to use other aspects of our culture too. Like democracy for example

BTW I've been to Constantinople. It is truely worth a visit. Especially in Agia Sophia, despite the desacration and distraction bu the Ottomans, there still persists a feeling of Hellenic Byzantium in there (or New Rome ) .... Fascinating.

two things though:
bargain 'till you drop or you'll get scammed
beware of Turks driving Taxis (they'll rip you off for sure. The question is how much )

	18-07-2002 01:10									#18
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It should be "Miklagĺrd", the viking name for the place.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 dan, after the pogroms of the Turks against The Greeks living in Constantinople in the '50s there are not so many Greeks there anymore.

I was unaware of that. I must admit, all I really know about the city is what Twain mentions in The Innocents Abroad

1870's... kinda dated material I must admit.

	18-07-2002 01:18									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian "It's nobody's business but the Turks." - They Might Be Giants -Arrian

Actually, that tune predates TMBG by about 70 years.

	18-07-2002 01:21									#21
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quote: Especially in Agia Sophia, despite the desacration and distraction bu the Ottomans

Actually the additions by the Ottomans (the fabulous writings in Arabic on the blue stone and the fabulous minarets), make the Hagia Sophia even greater!

	18-07-2002 01:24									#22
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Hell, the Hagia Sophia was falling apart by the time the Ottoman's took the city. Only the dome was still standing. One of Memhet's first commands was to save the structure.

	18-07-2002 01:25									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Especially in Agia Sophia, despite the desacration and distraction bu the Ottomans Actually the additions by the Ottomans (the fabulous writings in Arabic on the blue stone and the fabulous minarets), make the Hagia Sophia even greater!

I agre that their additiona were quite beautiful.

The ottommans were, however, extremely destructive people.

	18-07-2002 01:25									#24
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you forgot the slavic version: Carigrad (tszarigrad) - the city of the emperor.

I voted istambul, I always tought that cities named after people are a mistake and tend to get changed by the conquerors.

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Maybe to you Imran because you are a muslim.

Although, if you ever visited Agia Sophia you too would be saddened by the descecration and destruction.

As for the muslim signs that replaced the Christian ones, they seem like cheap signs.

This has nothing to do with Islam, it is their material that seem cheap. And they don't fit aesthetically in a Christian temple as Agia Sophia is.

	18-07-2002 01:28									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Especially in Agia Sophia, despite the desacration and distraction bu the Ottomans Actually the additions by the Ottomans (the fabulous writings in Arabic on the blue stone and the fabulous minarets), make the Hagia Sophia even greater!

Right, same think with most American monuments and memorials they do look pretty because they are in Greek Style and on some of 'em there is actually greek written on them. Look at Washington DC, everything seems to be a kitsch copy of Greek Temples and Architectonical Style.

But then what would you know! Most Americans do not realize that! Very funny indeed.

	18-07-2002 01:29									#27
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If the Ottomans hadn't saved the building it wouldn't exist anymore. You Greeks don't take very good care of your buildings.

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	18-07-2002 01:30									#28
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If it only was our buildings !

	18-07-2002 01:34									#29
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If the Ottomans hadn't saved the building it wouldn't exist anymore. You Greeks don't take very good care of your buildings.

I thought this was the british's line

	18-07-2002 01:34									#30
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quote: Originally posted by The Pioneer Right, same think with most American monuments and memorials they do look pretty because they are in Greek Style and on some of 'em there is actually greek written on them. Look at Washington DC, everything seems to be a kitsch copy of Greek Temples and Architectonical Style. But then what would you know! Most Americans do not realize that! Very funny indeed.

Huh? I realize it's greek style. That's intentional- birthplace of Democracy and so on. Of course, we're a helluva lot more like the Romans than the greeks, but who would want to admit to that? Heh heh heh.