18-07-2002 14:30									#1
	The Citizens Vote - Foreign Affair Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

There is enough discussion on this plan and it's time to get the votes going. Go to the thread link below and post yes for do the plan or no for not at all, or abstain.

Thread Here

	18-07-2002 19:30									#2
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Ooh! Ooh! Lurker bump

	18-07-2002 19:46									#3
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Would it not be better to wait for after the invasion of America, getting world map from them at least for free and technologies, don´t know whether they have Mapmaking or not.

	18-07-2002 20:33									#4
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by the end of the war they might have technologies too advanced for us to learn from immediately anyways

we need to stay in the tech race at all times. We can't depend upon the war for everything.

	18-07-2002 21:05									#5
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I still have serious problems with giving them our maps, but the rest of the plan is ok. However trades such as were mentioned earlier( i don't have the thread handy) where the maps were not given seems best. Also don't forget while we should get the techs now, when america surrenders(and I hope they do) we will get their world map.
Aggie

	18-07-2002 21:18									#6
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Hmm... we should trade with other civs if we want to stay in the tech race, I dont want to see them attacking our spearmen with cavalry, and I don't see any problem with giving our map.

	18-07-2002 21:22									#7
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We want America's territory map. It's important for Plan Eagle.

	18-07-2002 22:58									#8
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I have played a number of games where I try different strategies. Early on, I noticed if I gave out my map, the AI would go straight for the prime open spots and stop exploring in those directions. If I didn't give them a map, they would still explore the area if I didn't subtly block them which brings units away from their defense.

Try this, play a game where you save just before giving a map in a deal. Play it through for a number of turns after giving the deal; and play it through several turns without giving the map. I notice huge difference in turnout.

Plus, once you sell your map to country A, it sells it to everyone else. So, even if you destroy country A, the details of the map are now known by everyone else. While the AI may know where stuff is, the behavior before it gets the map and after is markedly different. I have read a large number of posts that concur.