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NeoStar
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Sydney
Jul 2002
time: 15:21
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And I think it was only called Australia when it became independent. So you'll have to decide if you want to make it an aboriginal or caucasian civ. |
If only it was my decision 
This is on the off chance a Firaxian reads this so you may want to skip the following mumbo jumbo.
I want Australia there for obvoius reasons, but compared to the level of civs in the game my nation is hard to call a 'civ', it is young and very multicultural even if 70% caucasian. OZ would be there the same reasons the US is, but I see civs like the Fijians, Phillipians and Aboriginals probably more deserving.
People generally ignore these nations as potential civs because they never went as large scale as continental ones - take the Aborigines, around 40 000 years and changing little in technology terms. There are two reasons for this:
1) The lack of fertile land. Besides Australia (which is very arid inside) there are many tiny islands usually covered in jungle. As a result few made permanant cities and took up a more cyclic nomadic lifestyle (but still retaining their culture).
2) Pacific people never needed to control fire. The theory is that for a civ to advance it needed to start by manipulating fire and while European and Asian nations required this to survive the harsh cold, those living in the tropics used it but never as much.
So technology is not a strong point, nor are grand cities or empires in the Pacific. This said, Civ3 has alot going for it in 'culture' and in terms of that Oceania has a very unquie, developed culture/identity and being one of the SIX areas of the world (yeah I realise most people think that Europe, Africa, Nth America, Sth America, Asia are it) I think it deserves at least ONE representative. Australia, Samoa, Tonga - anyone!
Whew! There, I spelt it out. I wont live and die on this point, Civs a game in the end and a good one to - but someone needed to argue Oceania's case.
Hmmm I suppose I should send that to FIFA too. Maybe we'd get into the 'World' Cup for once 
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Sean
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Auckland, New Zealand.
Jan 2001
time: 05:21
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Neo-star, don't forget the New Zealand part of ANZAC, mate ;-)
Your right, Oceania is sadly lacking in terms of civ 111. One of the map makers in apolyton made a "oceania" map, yet it was mostly asian!
oh well...
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Nakar Gabab
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of Pedantic Nitpicking
May 2001
time: 00:21
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It's been said before, but the Khmer might be a good bet. Close to southern Asia, fills out that area.
In game terms, there might be some problems with Oceania (on an accurate map, since random maps make continental representation meaningless). There'd be a LOT of islands and ocean and not a lot of useable land. Perhaps (on realistic world maps, anyway) So-Pac civs could get a specialized "bonus tech" that gives them early ships (capacity 1, but enough movement capability to colonize quick), and a specialized fishing improvement that grants shields for water squares?
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curswine
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Lancashire, Engaland
Jun 2002
time: 05:21
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i never knew that the polynesians settle in jakarta oh well but the most well known polynesian city Tamaki (which is the moari name for Auckland) which is the most populated polynesian city
well apart from jakarta but im still not quite sure on that
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ScreamingViking
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Calgary, AB, Canada
May 2002
time: 22:21
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Neostar:
The #1 thing against any Oceanic civilization is the fact that CivIII does not allow for marintime civs to thrive. There is simply not enough production for the water based civs, barring a whale surplus. In addition, randomly generated maps (my preferred way of playing) could very well locate an Oceanic civ smack dab in the middle of a continent. It IS all random.
Aside from Australia, Oceania will not get much PTW consideration. Besides, if you Aussies got in, you would hear a lot of whining from us Canucks.
Perhaps firaxis should find some way to properly simulate colonization, as to better account for emerging 20/21 century countries like Australia, Canada, Brazil, Mexico, NZ, etc.
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NeoStar
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Sydney
Jul 2002
time: 15:21
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Originally posted by ScreamingViking
Neostar:
The #1 thing against any Oceanic civilization is the fact that CivIII does not allow for marintime civs to thrive...
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I understand that mate but civ's not so big on that. I mean Egypt doesn't get any 'desert bonuses'. After the UU and traits there's little b/w them. If we go that way however, a solution would be a water improvement/early 'rig' or a 'reef' tile. Plenty of reefs around here 
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Originally posted by ScreamingViking
Aside from Australia, Oceania will not get much PTW consideration. Besides, if you Aussies got in, you would hear a lot of whining from us Canucks.
Perhaps firaxis should find some way to properly simulate colonization, as to better account for emerging 20/21 century countries like Australia, Canada, Brazil, Mexico, NZ, etc. |
I know, I know-it wouldn't be too fair. I was thinking of a colonization thing to-would add a nice touch if you could create Dominions across the world. They'd lose unworkable corruption and not have to be managed-so long as they're your faithful allies.
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20-07-2002 12:17
Get over it mate, they were your convicts and most of them had only stolen a loaf of bread! 
... well... temples aren't worth anything without priests (or other religion-dedicated people) ... boomerangs could decapitate them... same for army 
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