24-07-2002 04:07									#31
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too bad we have a Prime Directive. I'd so love to give our Apolytonian Friends the knowlege of how to build great mechanical contraptions which run around going 40-60mph with huge metal tubes which shoot fire and destroy any enemy, spearman or otherwise. :-(

Would be fun to watch you Crush all your foes.

	24-07-2002 04:32									#32
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Greetings Phoenaticans,

How exactly do you pronounce the name of your advanced civilization?

Might I also inquire what level of difficulty you were engaged in? And how many citizens you have? And what year you are in? It seems you have been building a spaceship... does that mean you are trying to flee your planet? Or are you dominant in your world?

Sorry for all the questions, but our primitive nation has just recently discovered mapmaking and geography is a big fad amongst the people now.

	24-07-2002 04:47									#33
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quote: Wait... if your spaceship isn't complete, how did you get here?

Maybe they're planeswalkers, able to step between worlds the way you cross a river on stepping stones. That's how I got here.

	24-07-2002 05:23									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Captain Greetings Phoenaticans, How exactly do you pronounce the name of your advanced civilization? Might I also inquire what level of difficulty you were engaged in? And how many citizens you have? And what year you are in? It seems you have been building a spaceship... does that mean you are trying to flee your planet? Or are you dominant in your world? Sorry for all the questions, but our primitive nation has just recently discovered mapmaking and geography is a big fad amongst the people now.

Phoenatica sounds much like 'fanatica'. (Well, we are on Civ Fanatics. ) I here tell we are on monarch level. How many citizens? We only had 28 vote in our last presidential election and that is our official census for official purposes. We have had over a hundred citizens register since we began. It is 1680 AD by our reckoning. We haven't actually started a spaceship yet but now that SETI has discovered life out there I hope our people will begin the project in earnest. Right now they are distracted beating up Iroquois and China. It is quite embarrassing actually. We are dominant on our planet but there are those of us who wish to leave. We dream of a world without laws and standards. One where polls are well thought out and presented in a clear, logical, timely and unbiased way.

Please burn this message. I couldn't endure another Public Investigation.

	24-07-2002 05:24									#35
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I do believe I'm the only official that's not here...

Greetings to the citizens of Apolytonia! The Phoenatican Department of Trade would like to iniate trade between our two worlds, and to start it, we present a gift of our fine spices!

	24-07-2002 05:44									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Octavian X ...we present a gift of our fine spices!

They are especially good on bananas.

	24-07-2002 05:47									#37
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quote: [i]Originally posted by donsig[i] Please burn this message. I couldn't endure another Public Investigation.

The Public Defender's office has it's eye on you, Donsig

	24-07-2002 06:00									#38
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HAHAHA!!!! WIMPY CF!!!

They're only playing on monarch, the wimps, while we're on emperor.

Sorry, I just couldn't pass up the chance!

	24-07-2002 06:00									#39
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Dear Ambassador ShaitanCF, I would like to invite you to my house, at the first and greatest plantation in Apolyton. My banana plantation at Banana HQ turns out the finest bananas in all of Apolytonia. With the new road that has been built, travel should be much easier. I hope you will enjoy my hospitatily, and I would like to offer you some funds to build your embassy in Banana HQ, or at least place a consulate. Unfortunately, I will be leaving in a few weeks, for I am going on a voyage of exploration with our most vaunted traveller, jdjdjd. Skywalker

How gracious. I accept.

I have begun to grow quite fond of bananas.

	24-07-2002 06:04									#40
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Hey! Donsig's right! This spice is good on bananas...

	24-07-2002 06:10									#41
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker HAHAHA!!!! WIMPY CF!!!

Our words are backed by Nuclear weapons!

	24-07-2002 07:05									#42
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I welcome all to raid my icebox, hint, my house is a national landmark in San Francisco and is slightly phallic... hmmm, shouldn't be too hard to find.

	24-07-2002 07:20									#43
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quote: Originally posted by donsig We only had 28 vote in our last presidential election and that is our official census for official purposes. We have had over a hundred citizens register since we began

I think I had about 70 or 80 by myself.
We have about 250 or so members now, a month and a half in. I suppose Apolytonia is better at breeding than you guys.

	24-07-2002 07:30									#44
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Donsig, don't lie, we don't even have Manhatten yet.

	24-07-2002 08:29									#45
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Greetings Phoenaticans!

As one of the emerging business men here, it is nice to know that there are business oportunities to be had in the future. Perhaps I could interest you weary travelers in my latest venture, our local newspaper. For your convenience, you can find a link to the latest edition, as well as a link to our convenient delivery options in my sig. Welcome to our humble nation, and may busness prosper for both our kingdoms.

- UnOrthOdOx

	24-07-2002 11:41									#46
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The Department of Trade also looks forward to economic activites between our two nations. Bananas are in high demand here, after their recent introduction into the market. Can I interest you in some spice for this strange new fruit?

	24-07-2002 11:50									#47
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As an attachee, i am please our thread is welcome in this land. I as well as many other phoenaticans watched this nations rise from the very beginning.
We are pleased to have made contact and openen an official channel of communication, which will bring both nations to learn from each other.

	24-07-2002 12:27									#48
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I, as the mayor of delphi county, would like to welcome our apolytonian visitors in my district.
You could stay in one of our fine resorts in the spice bay recreational area. Maybe you even find the time to visit our first national park!

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	24-07-2002 16:44									#49
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That looks nice, almost like home with the fjords and the setting along the shore.

	24-07-2002 17:57									#50
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maybe the apolytonian embassy should be built in delhpi :-)

	24-07-2002 20:50									#51
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Aswell as an embassy we could do with a spy, or diplomat if you like, in phonetica to take ideas and learn from the game played by the phoneticans.

For eaxample I see you have some kind of province system. It would be good to know how that works exactly for later ion our game.

	24-07-2002 21:59									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Falcon02 Donsig, don't lie, we don't even have Manhatten yet.

What's this? Our great General is revealing Military secrets? Are you up for re-election General?

	24-07-2002 21:59									#53
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We do use a provincial system. Province borders are proposed and approved by general consent. A governor is elected for each province each turn. If a province is acquired mid term the cities there are run by the Domestic Advisor. If a governorless province grows to 3 cities, a governor is appointed. Governors set the build queues for all of the cities within their province.

	24-07-2002 22:48									#54
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Hmmmn a different system to ours.
At the moment anyway.
We olny have 4 cities but all build queues are handled by a minister for city planning.

"A govenor elected for each province each turn" surely you mean each term.

	24-07-2002 22:51									#55
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I would also be interested to know how your court system works.

I see you have what appears to be a prosecutor and defender?

Did you ever encounter a problem, similar to the one in our recent presidencial election, of numbers of non-members voting.

	24-07-2002 22:58									#56
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Yes, I meant "term".

We started out with the Domestic Leader also being the governor of the capital province. Essentially where you are right now. We had planned for governors right from the start though. It was only recently that the gubernatorial powers were removed from the Dom Leader and the capital province became elligible for an elected Provincial Governor.

	24-07-2002 23:05									#57
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quote: Originally posted by OPD I would also be interested to know how your court system works. I see you have what appears to be a prosecutor and defender? Did you ever encounter a problem, similar to the one in our recent presidencial election, of numbers of non-members voting.

Our court system is a triumvirate with a Chief Justice (me), Public Defendant and Judge Advocate. Primarily we are involved in verifying the constitutionality of various rule changes and clarifying aspects of the Constitution. We have not had an investigation or trial since implementing a judicial body.

Any citizen can prosecute another for a violation of the rules (Constitution, Code of Laws or Code of Standards) by filing charges with the Judge Advocate. The JA then handles the mechanics (setting up threads and polls) of the investigation so everything is neutral. The JA will also act as a stand-in prosecutor if the accuser wishes to remain anonymous. The Public Defender is available to help the accused during all aspects of the trial (legal advice, insights into the rules, etc). The Chief Justice can fill either roll if necessary (if one of the other justices is gone or must recuse himself for conflict of interest reasons, etc.)

	25-07-2002 00:40									#58
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To the Provinces:
The sense behind it was to get more citizens actively involved. Thats also the reason why we have mayors now.
The idea is that the mayors controll their city and know it in detail. They give requests to their governors. The governors have the overview of the province and accumulate the information from the mayors and collect info from cities without mayors. After refining this information, they give their input into the turn-chat-thread as requests for this province, including worker assignment, citizen moods, bulild queues etc.
The domestic leader+deputy have the general overview over the nations needs in total. They have authority over the orgaizational offices (like census, chat, etc.) and any other domestic matter. Also, they are responsible for the "rushing budget" and the fiscal situation of the nation.

	25-07-2002 01:20									#59
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quote: Originally posted by disorganizer To the Provinces: The sense behind it was to get more citizens actively involved. Thats also the reason why we have mayors now. The idea is that the mayors controll their city and know it in detail. .

I like the idea of city mayors perhaps not to have too much say in building etc, or every mayor would want a wonder. But the idea of someone in charge of a city who knows it in detail would be good for micromanagement. A mayor could know in detail things like the attitude of all his citizens and would be a good way of managing things like civil disorder easily.
As well as adding to the realism of the game a bit too.

	25-07-2002 01:28									#60
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That's probably a good idea for later. But at a time when we have about 7 cities max, we wouldn't have too many mayors.
But I really admire the amount of micromanagement and roleplaying you guys are doing in the CFC forums. You seem to really be getting into it.