24-07-2002 10:48									#61
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quote: Yes. I laugh. I laugh so that I should not cry at the ignorance just 60 years after the fact. How many million people died to defeat that evil? Many times more died than were American. Why do people feel it necessary to squabble over who deserves the biggest bit of praise? Were it not for Russian determination and American industry, as well as British cussedness the only thing safe to say is that the world would be different today. Count your blessings.

Beautifully said.

	24-07-2002 10:53									#62
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I don't know how this thread became another WWII pissing contest but I'll try to get it back on track.

I really have a love/hate relationship with the U.S. On the one hand I can't stand the double standards that my country has encouraged not only in the world but here. We have the richest people in the world along with the poorest in the industrialized world. Our politcians go on about how other countries need to strive for freedom and democracy while at the same time promoting dictatorships. And there is truly nothing worse than all the monkeys running around with American flags calling themselves "patriots" when they can't do anything as simple as vote.

On the other hand America has really shown that freedom and democracy do work and has destroyed a potentially dangerous system in the Soviet Union. We have also created a world where ideals like individualism, free-speech, free-press, and oppurtunity are in vogue. In short I love America's ideals just not how we're living up to those ideals.

	24-07-2002 10:57									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn Serbia is a small slavic country in the balkans. Siberia is spelt with an "I," and refers broadly to the wide, cold expanses west of the ural mountains and north of Turkistan, Russia, and Mongolia. Owned by the russians.

Oh thank you very much, but I alredy noticed and fixed this error. "y" and "i" it's the same sound in Russian.

quote: How's the frostbite?

I don't know. It's summer now. But, you right it's damn cold here now only +28C. Very cold teperature for July.

	24-07-2002 11:06									#64
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BTW. I admire the US for it's ideals. I laugh at the follies. I weep for the mistakes.

/Edit. Most of all, I thank some higher authority they are on 'my' side.

	24-07-2002 11:11									#65
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WOW... you're quite eloquent tonight, notyoueither.

	24-07-2002 11:17									#66
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Beer.

	24-07-2002 11:17									#67
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Is good.

	24-07-2002 11:18									#68
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And good for you.

	24-07-2002 11:21									#69
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I want beer now. But I don't have any, and the stores are closed.

	24-07-2002 11:22									#70
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Ok, forget what I just said before...

	24-07-2002 11:23									#71
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Jack.


Is Better.


Heh heh heh.

	24-07-2002 11:24									#72
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Drinking Jack on a weeknight is sufficient grounds to worry about being an alcoholic.

	24-07-2002 11:24									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger I want beer now. But I don't have any, and the stores are closed.

Teach you to live where it is too late to get beer.

	24-07-2002 11:26									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Dom Pedro II Ok, forget what I just said before...

Common! Ernest did his best stuff from the bottom of a bottle. Can't hold the muse against the artist.

	24-07-2002 11:29									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Drinking Jack on a weeknight is sufficient grounds to worry about being an alcoholic.

Well, I don't have a job, either, so what's it matter?

I'll run tomorrow.

So I can be tired.

And sleep next night.

	24-07-2002 11:29									#76
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It's not the beer, its the fact that you didn't express your want of beer or your enjoyment of beer with proper artistry.

	24-07-2002 11:33									#77
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Takin' cue from NYE:

Women.

	24-07-2002 11:33									#78
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Can't win now. I guess I'll just have another beer.

Beer, beer, beer, beautiful beeeeeeeeeerrr!

	24-07-2002 11:49									#79
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My essay:

America? Good for a few laughs.

	24-07-2002 11:52									#80
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My little quote in my signiture basically sums up what I have to say about America. Well, its not really a quote as I invented it myself.

	24-07-2002 12:41									#81
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I think the Enzensberger piece is a good one. Goes to the sig.

	24-07-2002 12:49									#82
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Btw, what is this supposed to refer to ?

"America shapes the way non-Americans live and think. "

How does America shape the way I live ? How does it shape the way I think ?

	24-07-2002 12:56									#83
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither How many American aircraft?

Not so much as you beleive.

quote: How many American tanks?

Less amount then amount of American aircrafts, but still no so much as you beleive.

quote: How many American trucks?

A bigger amount then amount of American planes or tanks, but still not so much as you beleive.

quote: How much American Steel did Russian industry use in defeating the Nazis?

Small amount in compare with amount of Russian steel used to defeat the nazi.
Overall all American help (planes, tanks, steel, trucks etc.) it is 5-7% of resorses used by SU in this war. And 7% is very generous amount.

quote: These supplies came during the crucial hours of 1942 and 43.

1941 was the most dangerous period for us.
I'm not saying that American help wasn't nessesary. It was, IT WAS VERY NESSESARY. And we are gratefull for this help. But you portray it as it was the major factor for our survival. Some might say that we didn't have our own industry and fought with American weapons. This is unacceptable for me.

quote: Not to mention the American destroyers that probably kept Britain in the war in 1941.

Say it to Brits.

quote: Yes. I laugh. I laugh so that I should not cry at the ignorance just 60 years after the fact.

I'm doing the same. Can you proove to me that in 1944 Germany wasn't already doomed? Can you proove to me that Nazi still have chances to win this war in 1944? Can you proove me that in case that landing in Normandy never happen the results of war could be different?

quote: How many million people died to defeat that evil? Many times more died than were American.

Many times. The Soviet Union alone lost 27 millions people it's almost 100 times more then American casualities. 100 TIMES MORE. This war is the scar for every Russian family. Almost every family has people who died on this war. That's why we become mad when we hear: "It was USA who won this war".

quote: Why do people feel it necessary to squabble over who deserves the biggest bit of praise? Were it not for Russian determination and American industry, as well as British cussedness the only thing safe to say is that the world would be different today. Count your blessings.

Becouse the biggest bit of praise Americans always took for themselves. Entire generations grow on their movies which portray Americans as the only winners, as the alone saviors of the World. Which portray other people who contributed much for this victory as traitors or as cowards. Look "Save private Rayne", the only coward is a Brit and Americans are super soldiers. IS IT FAIR?

	24-07-2002 12:58									#84
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There was a British guy in Saving Private Ryan?? I thought they were all American....

	24-07-2002 13:07									#85
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The guy who shoot one of the German soldiers when they allready surrendered. They guy who was in panic, while Americans fought. He has funny name, but I don't remeber it.

	24-07-2002 13:09									#86
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Well, he shot the German who killed his friend, that's true... I didn't think he was British though. He didn't really have a British accent.

	24-07-2002 13:17									#87
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If he wanted revenge, he has opportunity to kill this soldier before. They meet face to face with each other several minutes earlier. But at this moment this guy was crying and was absolutely helpless and the German soldier could easily kill him, but he didn't.
This guy killed him later not because of revenge, but because German recognised him and said his name.
He was afraid that he could tell to Americans that this guy didn't fought, that he din't bring ammo to his freinds and that he is the reason why his freinds were killed.

	24-07-2002 15:54									#88
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Not as spectacular as the Vietkong beating you though

The Vietcong are moldering in their graves, only the NVA remained to share the post war world with the U.S.

	24-07-2002 16:06									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse My essay: America? Good for a few laughs.

A few laughs? Without us you would be reduced to cracking wise about New Guineau (sp?) or some other place no one in the rest of the world knows much about. Rather than being a fully employed and internationally famous troll you would be reduced to making puns to the feigned amusement of your drunken countrymen. Count your blessing.

	24-07-2002 16:26									#90
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You overestimate your importance for our amusement.