24-07-2002 03:42									#31
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Go for it

Horses family have been doing it for years and he is fairly normal

	24-07-2002 03:44									#32
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Genetic Screening is not perfect. It does not detect 100% of the time. Also, it only detects the genes that we know about. There are plenty of genetic diseases for which we still haven't identified the genes responsible/associated.

I suspect that with the number that are screened for, there is less risk for screened close relatives than for unscreened unrelated couples.

	24-07-2002 04:01									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey Horses family have been doing it for years and he is fairly normal

You're kidding, right?

	24-07-2002 04:06									#34
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Sheesh, Horse's family is so inbred, he is his own father

	24-07-2002 04:09									#35
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Inbreeding = Time travel? I think not.

	24-07-2002 04:10									#36
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger Yup. Incest carries risks of causing birth defects in offspring, but otherwise it's just a meaningless taboo. If you're not planning on having kids, then what the hell, no harm no foul.

Not only is there a higher risk of birth defects but the offspring have a greater risk of getting a double recessive gen that causes a genetic disorder such as sickle cell anemia, possible parkinsens or Altimers (though we really don't know for the last two).

Time magazine ran an article about Cousin's dating and marrying a few months back and you may beable to still read it on line. The conclusion was the risks are higher but birth defects occured only in 8% to 10% of cases (depending on which study you read) instead of the "normal 1% to 3%. So either way the chances are still pretty small and they don't matter unless a child is produced.

Still, unless you live in the deep south, this would be a big break from the social norms so I would recomend against it. After all there really are millions of other potential partners out there whom you are not related to.

	24-07-2002 04:11									#37
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Trust a typically humourless Finn to come out with that last post

	24-07-2002 04:17									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Trust a typically humourless Finn to come out with that last post

Humourless? Probably. Logical? Definitely.

	24-07-2002 05:51									#39
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One word: Hapsburgs.

	24-07-2002 06:15									#40
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to be fair the hapsburgs are the result of generations of inbreeding

cousins probably will not be that bad

Jon Miller

	24-07-2002 06:17									#41
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It isn't just Hapsburgs, Monk. In South Asia, they seem to do it all the time. I have an uncle and aunt, who are first cousins. Thankfully, all their kids came out all right.

	24-07-2002 06:25									#42
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it all has to do with how close

and to what extant

Royalty in europe did it to an extreme

like other areas

Inca Emperor's married their own sisters, but did not have the troubles of the Hapsburgs (of course they only lasted 99 years before the spanish came)

so it takes multiple occasions of incest before you get the Hapsburgs

two cousins having a child (as long as that child does not engage in incest) are not likely to have troubles

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It hasn't been made explicit that they are first cousins. If they aren't first cousins, it's fair game.

	24-07-2002 06:47									#44
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My grandparents on my mom's side are first cousins.

There isn't anything wrong with me, at least nothing serious.

	24-07-2002 06:50									#45
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quote: Originally posted by DanS It hasn't been made explicit that they are first cousins. If they aren't first cousins, it's fair game.

Eh?

So you say DanS, that in America if they are not first cousins it is ok?

Or is this your personal opinion? Or are you joking?

	24-07-2002 06:51									#46
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Well, I think genetically speaking... and in some social quarters.

	24-07-2002 06:53									#47
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"So you say DanS, that in America if they are not first cousins it is ok?"

Sure. Why not?

It's legal.

	24-07-2002 06:56									#48
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DanS,


and is this socially acceptable in America?

	24-07-2002 06:57									#49
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I definitely wouldn't have any concerns about doing it.

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in many quarters, no

Jon Miller

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Well it wouldn't be as frowned upon.

	24-07-2002 07:00									#52
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What's this "in many quarters" B.S.? It's not like it would only be OK in the deep South!

People just don't see it as often nowadays, so they don't expect it. If you don't wear it on your sleave, why would anybody question it?

	24-07-2002 07:05									#53
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it got discussed in a class of mine at college

out of the 20 or so people (I think a few more actually), only I and one other person were pro second cousin relationships

everyone else (who was vocal) were against

that is what I mean

Jon Miller

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it got discussed in a class of mine at college

out of the 20 or so people (I think a few more actually), only I and one other person were pro-second cousin relationships

everyone else (who was vocal) were against

that is what I mean

Jon Miller

	24-07-2002 07:08									#55
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That is surprising. I don't know what to say. I certainly wouldn't give a flying fook.

If you're planning on being a celebrity, it might be a consideration, I guess.

	24-07-2002 07:09									#56
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It got discussed in a class of mine too (that and first cousin relations), but 90% of the class hadn't even given the idea any thought at all before the question was posed, and just voted against the relations because a. they were "icky" or b. because they didn't even know what a second cousin was. After an hour of argument, 90% of those against realized either a. that "ickiness" is a pretty stupid measure of morality, or b. that second cousins are not the same thing as first cousins.

	24-07-2002 07:14									#57
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Silly girl - cousins are for sex education, not marriage. So by all means bonk away but don't marry em.

	24-07-2002 07:18									#58
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I'm sorry but this thread reminds me of a Jeff Foxworthy routine.

	24-07-2002 09:57									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia Well, this topic rears its head once more in debate. I won't even pretend that it has nothing to do with my present love life. Consider the following: He's smart. He's smooth. He's immaculately dressed and definitely looks good on you. He's your ideal man, your Mr Right, your completing half, and he feels pretty much the same way about you. There's only one thing - he's your cousin.

The first thing that struck me is how you talked about him. How he looks, how he dresses, how he is intelligent. But not a word on his character.

To me, that sounds dangerously like infatuation.

Without any further information, my advice is to take a closer look at his character before you make a decision.

	24-07-2002 10:01									#60
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Inbreeding turns people into royalty.

Which isn't too bad for the parents, assuming they live far far away from the peasant mobs...