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Charlottesville VA
Jan 1970
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Originally posted by Osweld
I've been diagnosed with depression before, and I think it's crap.
Maybe there are more severe cases, and maybe some doctors just like to prescribe drugs, but if I am what is considered to be clinically depressed, it's garbage. |
Are you constantly unhappy for no apparent reason for a period of greater than two weeks? Is life a drag? Have you lost interest in things that were once fun? If not you were probably misdiagnosed.
When I see the above things happening over and over I consider it an honest and deadly disease.
You know what the problem with depression is, so many people in our country blame themselves for it. They think that there's something 'wrong' with them, when they are really just having a psychological "broken leg." Its NOT their fault that they have had to deal with such pain in their lives, and they need to learn to stop victimizing themselves over and over for being depressed and move one. That is what therapy is about, 1) Understanding that depression is not the person's fault 2) Enabling the person to realize why he/she feels so bad and 3) Empowering the person to move on.
Have you ever really thought about the complexities of your psyche? Do you not think that its possible for some people to get utterly befuddled with themselves to the point of hopelessness?
Its definetly not a little girls fault who gets exploited by sexual predators, but often that little girl will grow up into someone that is self victimizing and feels worthless. How dare you tell her that there is no such thing as depression and to just move on? Would you actually think for a second that everything she has gone through is simple, here's a magic wand, cure. And Ill add prescribing her a 'pill' and letting her subsist off of that would NOT be such a cure.
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Dr Strangelove
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Nexium is a "proton pump inhibitor". It inhibits the function of molecules in the membranes of the cells which line the stomach. Pumping protons across the membranes of these cells is the crucial step in generating hydrochloric acid, hence inhibiting this pump reduces acid production. If you don't make acid, then you can't have acid refluxing into the esophagus, the tube that brings chewed food from ther mouth to the stomach. "Acid reflux" occurs when the sphincter (love that word) that closes off the stomach weakens and allows stomach contents to go backwards into the esophagus. If the liquid is very acid it burns the lining of the esophagus. This is painful and if untreated over many years may actually be a risk factor for cancer. Other medications in this class are: Prilosec, Prevacid, Protonix, and Aciphex. H2 blockers are also used, but they are less efficient at turning off the production of acid.
Premarin is actually a one of the oldest estrogen containing drugs It is short for "pregnant mares urine", a rich natural source of estrogens.
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Dr Strangelove
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Back in "the good ol' days" we didn't have ADHD because teachers had an unlimited license to beat the miscreants until they behaved. Is that what you want for your kids?
This way fo doing things still existed when I was a kid. It may have quieted down the more rambunctious kids, but many of them simply left school, even in their elementary years. Those who managed to stick it out through elementary school generally dropped out early in high school. In the 1960s ADHD was first described as "minimal brain dysfunction" and was lumped tgether with dyslexia and dysgraphia. I suspect that one reason that there seems to be an "epidemic" of ADHD is that in "the good ol' days" many kids with ADHD were generally passed off as mentally retarded, or juvenile delinquents.
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Blisterz
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Originally posted by Osweld
It's a part of life, and I'd rather live a life of depression then one where I am doped up on drugs and living a false life.
Depression is an emotion - a part of being human - not a ****ing disease. Learn to deal with it and take it for what it is, don't pretend it's some kind of sickness that all you have to do to get rid of is take a pill - it's your mind telling you something, that it's not happy. |
I suffer from clinical depression. And I can tell you it's not just "an emotion". Try spending a good month strait so ****ing depressed you are unable to eat or even get out of bed. The worst run I had was three months, I had to be hospitalized 'cause I was loosing so much weight 'cause I was unable to feed myself.
Sorry, but you are a little off base there.
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mindseye
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A Yankee living in Shanghai
Apr 1999
time: 13:21
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Depression is an emotion - a part of being human - not a ****ing disease. |
Sorry, but you've just proven that you know absolutely nothing about clinical depression. It is certainly not just an emotion. For instance, some clinically depressed feel no emotions at all. None. Now there's a hellish netherworld I hope you never glimpse. Life as an android, not even the little bursts of satisfaction you get from things like eating or looking up at the sky.
There are all sorts of other horrible potential symptoms such as chronic loss of energy, wild changes in sleeping or eating habits, or sexual appetite. Some experience mania, something akin to being handcuffed to a madly whirling merry-go-round.
Of course, many experience the horrible sensation of simply being agonizingly, despairingly sad most or all the time - for no legitimate reason. As they feel their lives being steadily sucked down into this black whirlpool, the last thing they need is someone telling them it's crap, it's just an emotion, or they should pull themselves out of it. Tragically, too many really do believe it's their own inability to "get it together", and when they can't, when the psychic pain of just trying to live from one minute to the next becomes too much for them to endure, they do the only thing they can to end the pain. They end their life.
It strikes me as rather poor reasoning to take your single unfortunate experience and make universal declarations about an illness that claims thousands of lives annually. 
Last edited by mindseye on 27-07-2002 at 08:21
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Blisterz
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Of course, many experience the horrible sensation of simply being agonizingly, despairingly sad most or all the time - for no legitimate reason. As they feel their lives being steadily sucked down into this black whirlpool, the last thing they need is someone telling them it's crap, it's just an emotion, or they should pull themselves out of it. Tragically, too many really do believe it's their own inability to "get it together", and when they can't, when the psychic pain of just trying to live from one minute to the next bcomes to much for them to endure, and they do the only thing they can to end the pain. They end their life. |
That was really well put. 
I have been down that road a few times, and almost ended my life. The hardest part about it is there is no way to show someone what is wrong (like a cut on your arm, or a nail in your foot) so they can help and support you properly. If it was not for my sister I am pretty sure I would be dead by now.
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General Ludd
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Minion of the Dominion
Aug 2001
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by mindseye
Sorry, but you've just proven that you know absolutely nothing about clinical depression. |
Well, considering that I am diagnosed as being such...
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For instance, some clinically depressed feel no emotions at all. None. Now there's a hellish netherworld I hope you never glimpse. Life as an android, not even the little bursts of satisfaction you get from things like eating or looking up at the sky.
There are all sorts of other horrible potential symptoms such as chronic loss of energy, wild changes in sleeping or eating habits, or sexual appetite. Some experience mania, something akin to being handcuffed to a madly whirling merry-go-round.
Of course, many experience the horrible sensation of simply being agonizingly, despairingly sad most or all the time - for no legitimate reason. As they feel their lives being steadily sucked down into this black whirlpool, the last thing they need is someone telling them it's crap, it's just an emotion, or they should pull themselves out of it. Tragically, too many really do believe it's their own inability to "get it together", and when they can't, when the psychic pain of just trying to live from one minute to the next bcomes to much for them to endure, and they do the only thing they can to end the pain. They end their life. |
 You're just dramatizing and exagerating it now. And I don't even know where you got that bit about not feeling emotions - that's contraditory to being depressed. (and there is another word for people who have no emotions)
I think that most of the time, whether people want to admit it or not, it is their lives that make them so miserable. We live in a very unatural enviroment, and our bodies and minds are not designed to cope with modern day life, and it can be very... well, depressing. People who take their lives because of this are probably doing so because they feel that there is no other way out, or that they have no control over their life and are unable to change it - and frankly, most of the time they are right.
I deal with it, as most people in this world do, by escapism - I read a book, play a game, ect... and try to forget that I live in a such a crapy world.  Maybe that's not much better then taking a pill and hoping it'll all go away... but atleast I am still in my right mind.
'though I also spend my time trying to think of ways to live a life that I want to in the future... 'tis not easy, though.
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Buck Birdseed
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Khoon Ki Pyasi Dayan (1988)
Nov 2000
time: 05:21
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Dan: The left would indeed classify these childrens as victims. But victims of the power-structures in society, victims of the class system, victims of capitalism, whatever. Now, to try to smooth over problems in society by suggesting that such things are natural, or not the your fault, is practically text-book conservatism. Women have less power than men in society? Why, naturally men are more able! Children are becoming little monsters under heavy-handed schooling with no personal touch, lack of parental care because their parents are poor, lack of personal expression, lack of adequate healthcare? Why it can't be any of those things, it must be natural or a disease!
Dr. Strangelove: Perhaps because the notion of DAMP/ADHD entered the Swedish public perception much later, the way it looks from this side of the atlantic is that this is related to less personal care for the children, cutbacks in teachers and school materials, etc. all in decline since the left-wing peak in the seventies.
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Aeson
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orangesoda
Nov 2001
time: 22:21
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Depression is very subjective. It doesn't really matter if a person is more or less depressed than another, just how their level of depression interacts with their ability to cope with it. If it's too much for them to deal with, then it's a real problem, and they need help (therapy and/or medication).
We don't know a lot about the function of the brain still, and so there are often misdiagnosis. Myself, I've been diagnosed at one time or another with/as masked depression, manic depression, paranoid delusional, schitzophrenic, and last but not least, psychotic (I forget what subtype... very blurry time). I couldn't very well be all of those things. Some of the more serious symptoms were later recognized as reactions to medication I was on at the time, and so I do understand the problems with promoting popping a pill as a cure. It doesn't mean I should generalize about the effectiveness of medication on other people. Medications do help a lot of people, I just wasn't one of them.
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