26-07-2002 23:51									#1
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My pick is ADD. My parents seem to think my brother has it, but when I looked at the list of symptoms, they were so vague that anybody could be diagnosed with ADD. Kids were never meant to sit around in classrooms all day anyway. This whole ADD fad is just a way to pump kids full of Ritalin so people don't have to deal with real problems. Total BS

	26-07-2002 23:54									#2
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There was a time when people made due and adjusted.

Now theres a drug for everything......

	26-07-2002 23:57									#3
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While I would have to say that it is a real and serious problem... I HAVE TO AGREE that too many kids are being lumped into this group. The symptoms are indeed "vague" and it is just too easy to jump to this conclusion. Drugs are not the answer to every bored child...

	26-07-2002 23:59									#4
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Parents jumping to conclusions like this disgusts me highly. Geez, I would probably qualify myself...

	27-07-2002 00:02									#5
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quote: Drugs are not the answer to every bored child

yeah...thats what nintendo is for

	27-07-2002 00:05									#6
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I'm also going to have to nominate 'Depression'. You sad? Oh, you must have Depression! We'll give you pills for it .

	27-07-2002 00:09									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'm also going to have to nominate 'Depression'. You sad? Oh, you must have Depression! We'll give you pills for it .

Aye, there is such a thing as clinical depression, but it's much rarer than doctors would hsve you believe. (Just having fun isn't a good therapy- doctors and drug companies get no money from it.)

	27-07-2002 00:09									#8
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ADD is a disease where 1% of the diagnoses are for genuinely serious problems, and 99% are to sell drugs and make a profit. I wouldn't be surprised if the prescribing MD's got a piece of the pie.

Clinical depression is very real, very serious sh1t. It may be over-diagnosed, but in many cases it has a bio-chemical basis.

	27-07-2002 00:41									#9
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there are other ones which i don't know if i believe

nexium, for "acid reflux disease" sounds pretty much like bad heartburn, no matter what they say.

viagra, for "pd" isn't fake, i assume, but i still don't think it deserves all that attention.

premarin, for "PMDD" is another one i can't fully buy. PMS can be bad, true enough, but why give it another name when it's just worse that usual? and why rename prozac for the purpose (well, it was to extend the patent...)

the main thing is that i don't understand how all these pharmacorps can get away with "manufacturing" a lot of these "diseases"...

	27-07-2002 00:42									#10
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quote: Aye, there is such a thing as clinical depression, but it's much rarer than doctors would hsve you believe.

Same as ADD, I agree though.

	27-07-2002 00:47									#11
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Acid reflux disease.

Why would anyone rather take a medicine than just chew up a few Tum's? One affects your vital systems and has side effects. The other simply increases the pH of your stomach contents. Gee, I'll pop a pill I probably get heartburn once a year, and only then if I eat extra turkey.

Wimps.

	27-07-2002 01:34									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Hoek My pick is ADD. My parents seem to think my brother has it, but when I looked at the list of symptoms, they were so vague that anybody could be diagnosed with ADD. Kids were never meant to sit around in classrooms all day anyway. This whole ADD fad is just a way to pump kids full of Ritalin so people don't have to deal with real problems. Total BS

I take serious offense to this. I have a friend who really has ADD. Im not saying that cause the doctors say that (though they have) but out of my own experience with him. He cant concentrate on anything. Any task that requires directed attention for extensive periods of time he has serious problems with. He barely got through high school, is struggling to get through college, and beats himself up for stuff he has really no control over.

	27-07-2002 01:39									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'm also going to have to nominate 'Depression'. You sad? Oh, you must have Depression! We'll give you pills for it .

When you deal with seriously ****ed up people like I do, you thank God that your friends have somebody they can tell anything they want and work out problems and drugs that keep them from hurting themselves.

IMO Depression is no more overdiagnossed than any other disease that would profit doctors/pharmacutical companies.

	27-07-2002 02:46									#14
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ADD is a serious problem for people who really have it... not many people really have it.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'm also going to have to nominate 'Depression'. You sad? Oh, you must have Depression! We'll give you pills for it .

depression is something everyone has, some people have serious depression. Those people who have serious depression really need the drugs and therepy, those who have normal depression need to go do something.

	27-07-2002 02:52									#15
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When I saw this thread title I immediately thought "ADD!"...

Medicalisation and and Biologism go hand in hand. Take the responsibility away from the parents and individuals and society, palce it in genes and diseases. It's a very convenient right-wing way to preserve the power structures...

	27-07-2002 02:57									#16
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i'll place another vote for ADD and "Depression". Crock of ****. People want a quick fix pill for everything...and in most cases, they do nothing...or it's simply the act of taking the pill that makes the people feel better...

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have you guys never seen a serious case of ADD or depression?? most of those people dont want the drugs because they want to be normal.

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quote: Originally posted by orange i'll place another vote for ADD and "Depression". Crock of ****. People want a quick fix pill for everything...and in most cases, they do nothing...or it's simply the act of taking the pill that makes the people feel better...

Well ADD might have a 'pill' cure, its not really caused by complex personal/emotional problems but only an idiot would think they could pop a pill and cure their depression. Depression is typically rooted in one's personal psychological development, it NEEDS therapy. Now there are good therapists and then there are idiots.

	27-07-2002 03:07									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase It's a very convenient right-wing way to preserve the power structures...

Actually, it's about as leftist as one can get. Everyone's a victim.

The right-wing excuse can be found here.

	27-07-2002 03:09									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us have you guys never seen a serious case of ADD or depression?? most of those people dont want the drugs because they want to be normal.

Agreed. People dont realize that these diseases/disorders are heavily rooted in research into psychology. If one can find decent research that questions their existance, feel free to cite it. There is clearly research to state that some things are overdiagnosed, but Im willing to believe most people diagnosed, actually have what they are diagnosed with.

	27-07-2002 03:14									#21
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quote: Well ADD might have a 'pill' cure, its not really caused by complex personal/emotional problems but only an idiot would think they could pop a pill and cure their depression. Depression is typically rooted in one's personal psychological development, it NEEDS therapy. Now there are good therapists and then there are idiots.

Agreed. However, less than a century ago and before, all of these things existed yet went untreated, and for the most part people made due. We're becoming dependent on medicine for everything...

	27-07-2002 03:33									#22
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Dan: Don't waste you time. To Snapcase, every problem in society is a 'right-wing' problem .

	27-07-2002 03:37									#23
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right wingers are always a problem, i know that much

	27-07-2002 03:38									#24
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So are left wingers .

	27-07-2002 03:40									#25
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I thought Wings was a band...

	27-07-2002 03:45									#26
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not a good one

	27-07-2002 03:50									#27
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http://www.zztop.com/zzintro.htm

	27-07-2002 03:50									#28
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This seeing political conspiracies everywhere thing is certainly starting to look like a disease.

	27-07-2002 03:53									#30
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A good band.

What are ye confused about?