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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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Originally posted by Osweld
 You're just dramatizing and exagerating it now. And I don't even know where you got that bit about not feeling emotions - that's contraditory to being depressed. (and there is another word for people who have no emotions) |
One of the symptom of depression is a lack of emotions. That's where I'm at. My emotions are pretty muted, not too high, not too low, mostly just numb, all of the time.
By the way, drugs for depression do not dope you up. They simply allow you to feel like a normal person. (Zoloft, however, will give you diarhea, though.)
Dan Severn, acid reflux, for those hwo have it, is damned apinful. I was munching 2 extra strength Tums 2-3 times a night. Most importantly, I quit drinking caffene. I also switched to Pepcid AC, and it almost never bothers me anymore. I sleep much better now.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:21
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Originally posted by Osweld
But I do have many of the symptons of this "disease", and if I didn't start to take control of my life, or if I didn't have my escapes, I probably would be "debilitated" or suicidal. But it's not a disease, and not something to be cured with a pill. |
So you have a mild form of depression. You can function, but do you fully enjoy life? Do you meet your potential?
Depression isn't merely just "feeling" sad. Our best explantion of it right now is that the brains of depressed people simply do not produce enough neurochemicals, most importantly, seratonin. You cannot just will yourself to produce more seratonin. It is a physical condition, just as if you didn't produce enough insulin. But diabeties is a disease, isn't it? So are mental illnesses.
It is something that can be helped by a pill. Zoloft, for example, helps prevent your brain from reabsorbing seratonin, which means that more of it stays in your synapses, where it can do its job. Within two weeks of going on Zoloft I had an amazing experience. I was happy. Really happy. For the first time in as long as I could remember, I was actually enjoying myself.
I eventually took myself off the medicine because of the side effects, but after having been on it for several years, I was okay for a long time. I'm a little down right now, but that's more situational, and simply by going outside and getting a little sun on my face and relaxing in the pool, I can get grounded. I'm much better than I was years ago, because of that little blue pill.
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Guynemer
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Ahhhh, what would Apolyton be without people spouting off about various topics about which they know jackshit.
A large number of you folks are in desperate need of a reality check.
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Bereta_Eder
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I agree with Bugs.
One of my acquintances has maniokatathlipsi. (manic depression?).
If he doesn't take his medecin he will stay awake day and night, day after night, not being able to get any sleep (because he will be in Hyperentasi (overtension?) and end up in the hospital from exandlissi (burn out? - overexaustion?).
With his drugs he can have a normal life.
OTOH I get pissed when people are feeling a bit sad and they say: I am depressed.
No sh!t sherock. Maybe you're "depressed" 'cause your life sucks? Fix it and you'll feel fine.
So there is a fine distinction to be made here. (Actually a fat elephant distinction).
People who need those drugs and people who don't.
For example, if I feel sad I can pay some euros to either get some drug or get out with a girl.
Which one would you choose?
There people who don't need drugs and those who do.
I for myself have been feeling down in the slums now and then but a phone call and a night out usually cures all.
There are people who cannot do that because of brain abnormalities and they need the drugs and then they can have a normal life.
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Hoek
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of knock-you-off-your-ass chili
Jan 1970
time: 00:21
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The issue of ADD gets right to the heart of a big problem we are facing in medicine. When something like ADD works its way into the society's mentality, it begs the question of what can be classified a disease. Kids were not biologically programmed to pay attention in class. The fact that we as a society have said that not paying attention in class is a "disease" shows that Ritalin is purely being used as a form of coercive conformity. The problem of not paying attention is not a medical problem, it's a social one. Yet, medicine has found a "cure" for it. This absolves children of responsibility for their actions, and parents and teachers of their responsibility to deal with active kids.
Now clearly there are some people who can not live a healthy life due to true ADD, but ask yourself why it is parents pump their kids full of ritalin at the age of 2. Ask yourself why Ritalin is overperscribed to minorities and working class kids.
Depression I think is a similar situation. Clearly there are people who get driven to suicide by depression, and giving them some prozac, if it prevents them from dying, is a good thing. But parents giving their kids prozac when they cry is very dangerous.
The fact is that as a society, we are moving more and more towards materialist explanations for all behavior, and all this does is allow people to absolve themselves of responsibility. It is exactly because people get offended by my saying ADD is BS that we as a society need to get our act together. We need to break medical conflicts of interest, such as doctors who practice and also work for drug companies.
The real question I want to know is, how far are people willing to absolve responsibility? The more we relegate behavior to the medical books, the less of a responsible society we become. We need to start drawing lines in the sand.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:21
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perhaps i was a bit too hasty about some of those things i said. but i still don't buy the fact that those conditions need to be advertised on tv like they are in the us. it just strikes me as giving the consumer just enough information to make him feel informed, but not enough to actually know what it's all about.
i have to find the study, but as i understand it, the majority of people who see these ads and think they have these conditions go to the doctor and ask for the prescriptions--and the doctors often don't really do a full check; they just nod, fill out the form, and then let them have their drugs.
so naturally, i find it disturbing, because i can't seriously believe that so many people have acid reflux disease, or erectile dysfunction, or depression, or anxiety attacks, that they need to advertise such drugs on television.
and that's what i think the original intent of this tread was. it wasn't to disparage the real ills that people have; it was to point out how many people think they have x condition, when they don't, and ask for such medication, thinking it will solve all their problems, some magical little pill.
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in case you don't know, as in, not live in the us and don't see these jacksh1t ads:
for detrol la:
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jingle is as follows: "gotta go gotta go gotta go right now!"
follows a person, usu. female, in a panic because she can't contain her bladder during an important issue. one of them includes a police officer directing traffic. it gets to the point where she must go, so drops it all in the middle and goes to seek a wc.
then it's the junk about the thing: 'if you have an overactive bladder blah blah blah...'
ending is woman, now newly confident, because she has pill. |
for viagra:
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people comment on how a certain guy is different: 'did you get a new haircut?' 'a new promotion?' 'a new car?' 'new shoes!'
naturally all are not the issue. it's actually that he got viagra (HOW THE HECK WOULD THEY KNOW?? :hmmm ...
tagline: 'try asking your doctor about viagra today' |
those are two examples of what kind of advertisements people get in regards to pharmaceuticals. is it any wonder a lot of these conditions are ovediagnosed and these drugs overprescribed?
just enough information to be dangerous, not enough information to be safe.
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Loif
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My two cents on the matter at hand: One of my boys has always been, how shall we say, eccentric. I wondered for years if he was autistic but no one took me seriously. Finally, in grade four he was referred to a specialist in the city. This doc had never seen my child before and yet he diagnosed him as being ADHD within an hour. He prescribed Ritalin and we tried it. For two months. There was no improvement in his behaviour at all. The day he told me it made him feel like an alien, the pills were flushed down the toilet.
A year later he was still exhibiting the same eccentricities so I took him to a mental health clinic to see a child psychiatrist. Turns out he's Autistic. Aspergers Syndrome actually, on the higher end of the Autistic Spectrum. He doesn't require any medications, thank goodness.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that yes I do think that ADHD is a rushed diagnosis. I work with young children and I see a lot of these kids on medications that they may not need to be on. Then again, I'm not their parent, I don't have to live with them so I don't see the precipitating behaviour that made the parents take them to the doctor in the first place. I guess you do what you've gotta do.
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Koyaanisqatsi
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of Maine paupers.
May 1999
time: 00:21
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Hmm. Not to beat a dead horse. But. When you've laid in bed (or more often a bathtub in my case) and screamed at yourself in your head for hours, willed with every fibre of your being to get up and get your butt out the door because there are things that you need to do which will make you happy and make your life work, and your body still refuses to move because you just don't care, then you tell me there's no such thing as clinical depression. Lather rinse repeat daily for your entire life.
And no, I'm not trying to defend taking pills because I don't take them. Not that I really don't want to, because they've helped before, but I simply don't care enough to make the effort of remembering to swallow a pill every day, whether it helps or not.
And no, I'm also not using it as an excuse, because I think you'll find that a lot of people in that situation beat themselves up a hell of a lot more than anybody else in their lives, myself included. Just stating a fact.
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Loif
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Just as I believe that ADHD is overdiagnosed, I don't believe that clinical depression is. Case in point, I had an aunt (God rest her soul) who suffered from it her entire life. She passed away a few years ago never knowing a day of happiness in her life. She was on and off meds and nothing seemed to help. My heart goes out to people who suffer from this illness.
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