30-07-2002 04:11									#61
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara How do these wing-nuts keep getting in to our government where they can shove their ancient Old Testiment moralities and insanities on us?

i thought revelations was new testament

	30-07-2002 04:19									#62
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quote: LaHaye is definately an hardcore fundamentalist

That doesn't mean he thinks all this will happen now.

	30-07-2002 05:00									#63
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Boshko, you really are a mumbling idiot... stop speaking falsely and idiotically, then maybe I will understand. I have read Ronald Reagan's autobiography, very little religious related information in there. He always said he respects other people for what they believe in.

	30-07-2002 06:32									#65
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As much respect as I may or may not have for the views of fundamentalists, they are constitutionally obligated to keep their beliefs out of government.

Nationalist - you must be one of them! Burn him!

Seriously, though, there is a difference between being angry at intolerant fanatics and disenfranchising them.

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	30-07-2002 07:10									#66
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It is well known that both Reagan and W are "born again". "Born agains" also believe in "the rapture" and that we are in the "end times." I have had so many unsolicited discussions with evangelical born agains, and everyone of them, that I have met, believe that Jesus is coming soon. All they are waiting for is for the third Jewish temple to built on the Dome of the Rock. Once that is done, supposedly Jesus will be on his way back. There is a slight problem with this plan. There is a Muslim temple currently standing on the Dome of the Rock. Maybe that is the reason why the fundamentalist righties support Israel so strongly?

	30-07-2002 07:57									#67
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chegitz

This born again christian cult crap is making me sick. Everywhere I drive I see these damn fish on the car. What's really annoying is that they are worshipping Jesus, and not God. As an agnostic, and former Serbian Orthodox, that offends me because Jesus specifically said that he was not to be worshipped.

Most of the world's problems are due to religious people running governments. In the US, people have forgotten that the first amendment is freedom of religion as well as freedom from religion. In the 50's, they put "God" on our money, and "God" in our pledge. It's time we get "God" out of government.

	30-07-2002 09:09									#68
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Since the US government is supposely secular, it helps if the officials have no religous views. It will be much easier to formulate non-religious policies this way.

	30-07-2002 09:21									#69
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True, UR, but that would be discriminating against those who do have religious views by not letting them hold office. As it stands, they just need to realize that they are citizens of a country where church and state are separate.

	30-07-2002 09:28									#70
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quote: I have read Ronald Reagan's autobiography, very little religious related information in there. He always said he respects other people for what they believe in.

"When he was governor of California, cooperated with an effort to have the State of California mandate that theories of "creation" be taught alongside evolution in the public schools. Similarly, after Reagan was elected President in 1980, he answered a question about evolution at a press conference by saying that he didn't think that scientists believed in evolution as much as they had used to. Embarrassment over this incident resulted in Reagan avoiding the issue from then on, although he did not avoid political allies whose Fundamentalist credo was undoubtedly hostile to evolution and all its works.
http://www.friesian.com/creation.htm

	30-07-2002 11:52									#71
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Sorry Che, but this is probably the stupidest thread that I've seen in a long time. I didn't know where I was going to get my "paranoid conspiracy" fix from after the X-Files went off the air, but 'Poly seems to be filling the void quite nicely. The US government working in secret to bring about the "End Times"?

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	30-07-2002 12:41									#72
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Hmmmm... I guess religion is just a bunch a crap... I only build one church in my Tropican paradaise.

Fez, can you upload your game to see your paradaise?

	30-07-2002 19:24									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko "When he was governor of California, cooperated with an effort to have the State of California mandate that theories of "creation" be taught alongside evolution in the public schools. Similarly, after Reagan was elected President in 1980, he answered a question about evolution at a press conference by saying that he didn't think that scientists believed in evolution as much as they had used to. Embarrassment over this incident resulted in Reagan avoiding the issue from then on, although he did not avoid political allies whose Fundamentalist credo was undoubtedly hostile to evolution and all its works. http://www.friesian.com/creation.htm

Taught alongside evolution? So what is the problem with that? Those who believe in evolution will certainly strengthen their own views in evolution after they here creation. Reagan didn't even mention one thing about creation or evolution anywhere in his autobiography but he said he respects other viewpoints. Again your idiocy is apparent.

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	30-07-2002 21:17									#74
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Fez, you don't honestly see no problem with teaching Creationism alongside Evolution in a science course, Mr. Proud Athiest, do you?

	30-07-2002 21:30									#75
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Creationism is not science and should not be taught as such. It can be taught as a seperate subject in general education classes - perhaps a basis for discussion/debating groups. That is a far better place for it.

	30-07-2002 21:42									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Kepler Do more than a handful of trailer trash believe the "Left Behind" stuff as literal?

Times Best seller list for the last two novels. The fact is, millions of people believe this stuff. These people scared the bejeezuz out of me twenty years ago, when I was still a Christian and a Republican. (Yes, I know that blows your minds ).

Their first prophecy on how the end times would come about, nuclear war between the US and the USSR failed to come about (fortunately). These people believe that the US is God's instrument in the world. They believed that the US should have started WWIII to wipe out Communism, that all the good Christians would ascend to heaven in a nuclear rapture.

Reagan was their man. But then the Evil One ("evil empire") did something they didn't expect, he surrendered, which put off the apocalypse. This might help put Reagan's rhetoric and nuclear brinksmanship in a more frightening light.

Let's not forget how big the Promise Keepers got. There are millions of people who believe this stuff. And they are willing to force their beliefs down your throat. What saddens me most of all is how willing "normal" conservatives are to be in bed with these nuts.

	30-07-2002 22:12									#77
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Personally, I'm betting on Cthulu eating half of humanity and driving the other half insane. As Jaakko obviously follows the Mi-Go, he will be one of the first to be dragged into the slimy depths by the spawn of our Great Lord.

Rise Dark Lord Cthulu! Raise the Great Old Ones and lay ruin to this world! The mad ramblings of Azathoth have foretold it!

	30-07-2002 22:14									#78
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Che, you haven't been reading Lyndon LaRouche lately by any chance, have you? This stuff about milleniarians sounds curiously familiar.

quote: ....But the point is: Why, then, does the United States support this? It's not because there's a Zionist Lobby. As a matter of fact, you have some of the worst anti-Semites in the United States, are the so-called pro-Armageddon Christian fundamentalists. They're anti-Semitic. Anyone who comes from the southern part of the United States knows that. These guys were, these are the real anti-Semites in the United States. These are the real Nazis. They think like fascists, anyway. You think these guys like Jews? No! They don't care about Jews. They don't care about that. What they care about is their policy. They're saying, look, if you can get the Rapture next week, I don't have to pay my rent next month! I mean, it's that bad. So, we have created a society of madmen in these so-called "thunder cults," these thunder religious cults inside the United States. They're crazy. Psychotic, in effect. Not in the real world. They have become a significant political force behind people like Pat Robertson in Virginia, for example. They're dangerous. This is the constituency, the constituency of hate, the Ku Klux Klan constituency. They have to have somebody to hate, somebody to kill. And they say, "Them A-rabs—look like black people to me." They do, don't they? Look, I'm an old man. I've been around this country for a long time. I know what goes on in this country. I was training troops in the Army back during World War II. I know what we were sweeping in from southern parts of the United States. I know what they said. I had to deal with them. We've got that—that rot is deep in our country. And it's come forth.... Lyndon LaRouche (excerpted from his May 1, Washington DC webcast on the subject of "The Middle East Blow-Back Effect" )

Makes me laugh every time I hear it.

	30-07-2002 22:17									#79
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I think I speak for most of us when I say Che has flipped his lid .

	30-07-2002 22:41									#80
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You know, even Lyndon LaLouche can't be wrong 100% of the time. (Man they are annoying people.)

	30-07-2002 22:42									#81
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Hey Starchild, if you're a Lovecraft fan, you definitely need to check out Delta Green. It's a world setting for the Call of Cthulhu RPG, probably the best extrapolation of Lovecraft's work I've ever seen.

	31-07-2002 01:39									#82
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Where did you people find this stuff? That LaRouche excerpt was luagh out loud hysterical. No sane person could take that seriously. Christians are not rooting for some nuclear apocalypse. Where does he come up with this stuff? Insane.

	31-07-2002 02:49									#83
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist Where did you people find this stuff? That LaRouche excerpt was luagh out loud hysterical. No sane person could take that seriously. Christians are not rooting for some nuclear apocalypse. Where does he come up with this stuff? Insane.

The link to the full transcript was in red from my above post.

If you liked that one, here's another from Political Research Associates:

quote: To the extent that my physical powers do not prevent me, I am now confident and capable of ending your political - and sexual - impotence; the two are interconnected aspects of the same problem. (1973)

Let's start with you Apolytoners. C'mon, get it up! I SAID NOW!!! DO IT OR ELSE YOU'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE KGB TO RUN OFF WITH MY COMMON LAW WIFE AND TURN ME INTO A RAVING LUNATIC!!!! ARGH...THE QUEEN PUSHES DOPE!!!!! AND ONLY I CAN PERSONALLY RESOLVE THE CRISIS OF CAPITALISM!!!!!! IF YOU LISTEN TO THAT JULES GUY IT MEANS YOU'RE ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!

But, seriously, I'm going to have to agree with Che on this one. Ever since I read Hal Lindsey's "Great Late Planet Earth" in high school, I don't like what these folks represent. Seems kind of self-fulfilling to me. Convince enough people that the world is about to end and they will act in such a way as to effect that precise result. The long decay of the Roman Empire resulted in part from the fact that people stopped believing in the "idea" of Rome as a viable form of society.