31-07-2002 17:54									#1
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Which civs have you NEVER played as? And why? Perhaps you've tried them all?

	31-07-2002 18:08									#2
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I've never been the Zulus, Americans or the French.
Guess I don't like the Americans' F16 UU, and the French are pink. The Zulus' traits aren't the best...

I've been playing all random maps lately though, but I nearly always end up as the English

	31-07-2002 18:46									#3
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I've never had any desire to play as the Indians.

	01-08-2002 04:18									#4
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Never played as the Persians, Indians, Iroquais, Zulus and Chinese.
Persians: Xerxes leaderhead looks too much like a humoristically good guy.
Indians: Ghandi was a pacifist ¿how am I supposed to destroy my neighbourhood?
Iroquais: the leaderhead also smiles too much. He looks like if he is inviting me to some kind of party with playboy playmates or something (maybe its only my wish).
Zulus: I remember how they punished their enemies (a wood in the aaaggghhhh!!!!) and I prefare not to imagine it repeatedly.
Chinese: I want to rise and eat many civs, not play with a civ and eat many rice (excuse me for this stupid joke, but I had to do it)
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	01-08-2002 04:27									#5
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I never played the English, Greeks, Indians, Russians, Iroquois, and Zulus. The one half game I played as Germans sucked big times.

To be honest, most European civs sucked, partly due to the broken Commercial trait.

I think I should start with Iroquois really soon. It's a good civ and I'd like to carry out some Mounted Warrior rushes.


yellfromhell, I think you missed out some great buttkicking games without playing Persians, Iroquois, and Chinese. These are three civs with excellent traits and UUs.

	01-08-2002 04:50									#6
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I don't think disliking a civ's leaderhead is a good excuse to not play them. After all its the one leaderhead you don't have to negotiate with!

I've never played as the Persians or Babylonians mostly because I just don't like the 'flavor' of those civs. Kind of a stupid reason, I know, but what can I say?

	01-08-2002 05:06									#7
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"aggghhhh!!!...Its enough!!!!! please!!!!"
(that was Yellfromhell asking for euthanasia)
I was only joking about the leaderheads... it seems my bad english makes my jokes sound serious (because they are still stupid in spanish) or my bad english comprehension makes me interpret everything serious. I simply never played those civs. Tommorrow I`ll begin with one, o.k?
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	01-08-2002 08:55									#8
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Americans, Iroquis and Zulus...

	02-08-2002 05:35									#9
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seems like people are steering away from expansionist civs... i don't blame them

	02-08-2002 16:22									#10
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I haven't played all civs, since I alsways (ok...mostly) choose a random Civ...But there's one Civ, the random Civ chooses often, and I don't even want to think about playing that civ (So I therefore have to restart a couple of times, when starting a new game): English

Btw, it's not a gameplay reason...

	03-08-2002 05:37									#11
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Hm, two people say that the "random" option chooses England often. Maybe it's a bug?

And I don't see what wrong with Expansionist civs. Expansionism lets you discover techs and other civs quickly at the beginning of the game, particularly if you start on a large land mass.

	03-08-2002 15:36									#12
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quote: Originally posted by JohnM2433 Hm, two people say that the "random" option chooses England often. Maybe it's a bug?

In most of my games, England also starts nearby my starting place, and I play seldom as European Civs...And England is ALWAYS in a game (Unless I choose exactly which Civs I want to play against...Which I do seldom)...

	03-08-2002 21:43									#13
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A FireAxis programmer (I forget exactly who it was; if anyone rembers the chat that this was in, please tell me) said Elizabeth was designed to be "crafty" (i.e, she will stab you in the back). Not to leap to any conclusions or anything, but I wonder if someone may have designed the "random" option to select England more often, so they could show off the job they did with Elizabeth.

Just a thought.

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	04-08-2002 02:57									#14
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I have never played other that Greeks.

	04-08-2002 04:07									#15
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Not even "Finns" in that suck-session game?

As for Expansionist civs> At least in Civ2 my tactic mainly concentrated on getting a LOT of those goody boxes early.

	05-08-2002 00:43									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Ade Not even "Finns" in that suck-session game?

no, even then the Greeks were disguised as Finns.

	05-08-2002 01:13									#17
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gangerolf: good poll!

havn't played as french, aztecs and iroquois.... but now i just remember, that the newest GotM at CFC is with the french... oh well...

	13-08-2002 01:15									#18
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I set my civ to random, so I have ended up playing all of them at least once, although some seem to occur more often than others.

I am surprised so few have tried the Zulu, given their excellent early unit. Iroqouis with their scouts are always a good bet - can I have all the techs please, no Great Library required.

	13-08-2002 02:14									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Fergus Horkan I am surprised so few have tried the Zulu, given their excellent early unit. Iroqouis with their scouts are always a good bet - can I have all the techs please, no Great Library required.

I have never played as the Zulu...the random Civ function can't seem to find the Zulus...only for the AI...maybe I should try play a level were I not set it to random, but set it to Zulu instead...

In my current game, I'm playing the Iroquis (on a small island/huge/15 AIs map), but I have never been more of a warmonger than in this game...and it's not even a military Civ...

	13-08-2002 04:12									#20
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I never tried the Americans, the English and the Zulus.

Well I don't play the americans cause it set their colour to pink and French to blue
For the english... hmm... I don't like the idea of being an englishman
And the Zulus... well I don't really like making war (exept against the english, naturally ) so I don't think the zulus are for me.

In fact I play mostly with the French cause I like "Industrious and Commercial" (and maybe because I'm French too )

	13-08-2002 04:59									#21
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Americans yes many times
Aztecs not yet
Babylonians not yet
Chinese not yet
Egyptians now playing
English not yet
French not yet
Germans not yet
Greeks yes
Indians not yet
Iroquois not yet
Japanese not yet
Persians not yet
Romans yes
Russians not yet
Zulus not yet

I will play all of them someday.
In Civ 2 I have played all of them many times.

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	13-08-2002 13:50									#22
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Indians, Iroquois and Zulus

	13-08-2002 21:34									#23
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Well, I haven't played Zulus, since on Marla's World Map, they are far from other civs (though near goody huts) and Iroquois, 'cos their special unit needs horses, and there are no horse resource in America! (I wonder why...)

	13-08-2002 21:37									#24
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quote: Originally posted by ultrix Well, I haven't played Zulus, since on Marla's World Map, they are far from other civs (though near goody huts) and Iroquois, 'cos their special unit needs horses, and there are no horse resource in America! (I wonder why...)

While historically accurate, it does wreak havoc with the way Firaxis set up the Iroquois' UU.

	14-08-2002 03:07									#25
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Well, historically, a breeding population of horses can be moved from one location to another. Not so in the game.

And in Real Life, of course, a civ would need discover actual horses before it could learn horseback riding (and iron before iron working, etc.). If you want to get all technical about it.

	14-08-2002 05:04									#26
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quote: Originally posted by JohnM2433 And in Real Life, of course, a civ would need discover actual horses before it could learn horseback riding (and iron before iron working, etc.). If you want to get all technical about it.

Right ! I imagine scientists : "Well we learnt how to ride horses. Now all that we have to know is what they look like"

	14-08-2002 12:15									#27
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All expansionist civs except the Iroquois suck. The AI doesn't play them well, and I don't like to play them.

	16-08-2002 05:21									#28
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Americans not yet
Aztecs not yet
Babylonians yes
Chinese yes
Egyptians yes, most of time
English never will
French yes, plenty of times
Germans never
Greeks not yet
Indians not yet
Iroquois not yet
Japanese yes
Persians yes
Romans yes
Russians not yet
Zulus never

As you can see, I've not been too fond of the expansionist trait thus far. I'm still drooling over the industrious Civs and Religious traits as well. I've tried a few with the Militaristic traits. Persia I tried just to be on the other end of an Immortal onslaught! I loved the Roman legionaries, but I usually play with the Egypt, or the French (Hate their UU, but love their com/ind combo). I'm starting to really warm up to the Japanese and Chinese though. I played as China and ruled with their Riders until they met up with the Japanese Samurai. That 4/4/2 neutralized my 4/3/3 and they were kicking my behind. With that extra movement I was doing a lot of running (which is not cool in warfare!). Naturally, I played Japan next and had a lot of fun.

I don't think i'll ever try the Zulus. You must have a real short window of opportunity to dominate when your UU is 1/2/2 and how do you capitalize off of such an early GA? I think they must attack swiftly before Spearman come around, which must neutralize their UU's offensive capability, rendering them as faster spearman.

I also don't think i'll give Germany a shot because I am slowly beginning to hate the Scientific Civ trait and I don't really care for their UU. I barely can see myself trying the Aztecs. I think their Civ combination is workable, but I just hate their UU. Any game i've played they've pretty much been destroyed early and begging for mercy in some corner of the world, usually in tundra. Anyway, that's my humble little take on it.

	16-08-2002 16:29									#29
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Somehow , I neve played the Chinese, despite their traits being very attractive, and the potential of their UU to wreck havoc.

My favorites are the greeks, the Indians, the Egyptians, and sometimes the Romans or the french.

	16-08-2002 23:19									#30
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I've never played as the americans, poor traits and a UU that comes too late.