25-08-2002 00:31									#151
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Oh ok then, i guess the more entries the better.

	25-08-2002 03:02									#152
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A suggestion... (to Loc and others)

I've noticed a few people saying they can only play the MP or SP tournament. Why not just keep running the SP tournament (a fourth one), but make the timing over a 2 or 3 month period, that way more people may be able to fit in both MP and SP.

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	26-08-2002 00:20									#153
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finished the game...just walk into the last city of the polynesians..don't remember the city-name yet..

GOTCHA!

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	26-08-2002 11:57									#154
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Even though 2 or 3 months would allow more people to play the tourny I think it's a bad idea. The tournaments are also responsible for bringing some life into these pages, but in 2 or 3 months the thread will probably die. Furthermore we'd have to wait for the ranking a rather long time.
If anybody needs more time he can always submit his game later for the unofficial ranking, can't he?

	26-08-2002 15:41									#155
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	26-08-2002 16:28									#156
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Exactly, mapfi. Not everyone participates in the MP tournament, what are the others going to do in the meantime? If I can help it, the SP Tournament feature will always be here, for many months (perhaps years - but you never know what the future will bring) to come. If a few people have to miss 1 or 2 editions, surely that can't be all *that* catastrophal... Especially not since they can always submit their savegames later, unofficially (I'm still playing the 2nd Tournament myself, which I missed due to PC problems).

Dread_Doomfist & Repistes,
Cool, thanks for playing I will process the savegames later today...

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	26-08-2002 16:42									#157
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Looks like we got a new specialist for high scores, Repistes. So Jesper, you're going to beat that?

quote: Originally posted by Locutus you never know what the future will bring

Oh, so you're believing into CtP3 now too!

Still playing the second tournament? - might make me reconsider my decision not try.

	26-08-2002 17:04									#158
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ý found a strategy to reach 50.000 points!!!!

ý'am waintin the next tournament...

	26-08-2002 20:34									#159
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quote: Originally posted by mapfi Even though 2 or 3 months would allow more people to play the tourny I think it's a bad idea. The tournaments are also responsible for bringing some life into these pages, but in 2 or 3 months the thread will probably die. Furthermore we'd have to wait for the ranking a rather long time. If anybody needs more time he can always submit his game later for the unofficial ranking, can't he?

Agreed. Once a month is a good time table. Plenty of time to finish the game, but if you can't play that particular tourney game for whatever reason, you don't have to wait forever for the next one to start.

	27-08-2002 05:48									#160
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Okay, savegames processed:

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Rank   Player		Victory Type	Year	Points  Cities	 Pop	Advanc	Wonders	Feats	Last Research
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 1   centrifuge		Diplomatic	 810 AD	 6,370	 16	 111	 21	 1	 2	Gunpowder
 2   Maquiladora	Diplomatic	 970 AD	 8,320	 18	 294	 38	 2	 3	Industrial Revol
 3   mnbryan37		Bloodlust	1290 AD	17,030	 22	 383	 37	10	 2	Economics
 4   Locutus (1)	Bloodlust	1505 AD	18,320	 48	 909	 44	12	 1	Oil Refining
 5   mapfi		Bloodlust	1550 AD	21,795	 55	1204	 58	17	 6	Jet Propulsion
 6   ETB		Bloodlust	2181 AD	19,500	 50 	1217	 59	13	 2	Modern Medicine	
 7   TheArsenal		Diplomatic	2218 AD	11,225	 33	 989	 50	 9	 1	Mass Media
 8   Shadow		Diplomatic	2291 AD 20,535	 40	 978	 78	14	 8	Nano-Assembly
 9   Repistes		Bloodlust	2294 AD	30,445	 43	1473	 93	28	10	Cybernetics
10   Dread_Doomfist	Bloodlust	2299 AD	27,190	 40	1546	 90	27	 7	Ecotopia
11   Martin Gühmann	Bloodlust	2300 AD 28,055	 50	1961	 91	25	 9	Virtual Democracy

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Rank   Player		Victory Type	Points	Year    Cities	 Pop	Advanc	Wonders	Feats	Last Research
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 1   Repistes		Bloodlust	30,445	2294 AD	 43	1473	 93	28	10	Cybernetics
 2   Martin Gühmann	Bloodlust	28,055	2300 AD  50	1961	 91	25	 9	Virtual Democracy
 3   Dread_Doomfist	Bloodlust	27,190	2299 AD	 40	1546	 90	27	 7	Ecotopia
 4   mapfi		Bloodlust	21,795	1550 AD	 55	1204	 58	17	 6	Jet Propulsion
 5   Shadow		Diplomatic	20,535	2291 AD  40	 978	 78	14	 8	Nano-Assembly
 6   ETB		Bloodlust	19,500	2181 AD	 50 	1217	 59	13	 2	Modern Medicine	
 7   Locutus (1)	Bloodlust	18,320	1505 AD	 48	 909	 44	12	 1	Oil Refining
 8   mnbryan37		Bloodlust	17,030	1290 AD	 22	 383	 37	10	 2	Economics
 9   TheArsenal		Diplomatic	11,225	2218 AD	 33	 989	 50	 9	 1	Mass Media
10   Maquiladora	Diplomatic	 8,320	 970 AD	 18	 294	 38	 2	 3	Industrial Revol
11   centrifuge		Diplomatic	 6,370	 810 AD	 16	 111	 21	 1	 2	Gunpowder

Repistes' game intrigues me: much less cities and pop than Martin, yet a significantly higher score. I can't quite pin down what gives him the edge...

Anyway, congrats to both players on their (preliminary) top 3 endscore

	27-08-2002 05:55									#161
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Well hes got one more feat, 3 more wonders and 2 more advances there... and a faster end date. i dont know the scoring system back to front, i never held much to a high score, so i wouldnt know if those things would account for the extra points.

Have a look later perhaps, i often dont have time for a high points chase, maybe next time though.

	27-08-2002 10:37									#162
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quote: Originally posted by mapfi Looks like we got a new specialist for high scores, Repistes. So Jesper, you're going to beat that?

I will!
After reading this curent standings I captured the last city for a test: over 30.000 points and it is 2069!
But I dont know if I can beat the hall of fame highscore ...

So long
Jesper

	27-08-2002 21:34									#163
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whats the hall of fame highscore ?

	27-08-2002 21:40									#164
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quote: whats the hall of fame highscore ?

Its the highest score achieved in any in the tournament games so far.

Its down the right side here.

	28-08-2002 17:15									#165
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Status:
Year: 2197
Points: ca. 33.000
Citys: 63
Researching: Nothing, because I know everything!!!

So long
Jesper

	29-08-2002 02:10									#166
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OK I already modified some files, and with them I can compare the games. I think the most improtant thing are the accelerate slic files I am already in the 1470 and I just have started today. I also modified some other files, therefore this game can't be part of the official ranking.

OK here is another interesting observation I took the to the Barbarian fallen Arabian city Tunis. The city is located on a island in the North of their main land. On that island there was another Arabian city Fes. Suddenly the Indonesian landed just near Tunis with a few units. Next turn they attacked with a huge stack of three Greek Fires and a lot of transproters the with three cannons garrisoned city Tunis. they lost the battle. Afterwards they sneaked with the remaining land invasion force to the city Fes and took. Yeah the poor Arabians where already very damaged by their warmonger neighbors. Now the final thing afterwards the dishonorable Indonesian begged for a ceasefire. I accepted, because my invasion fleed isn't ready.

-Martin

	29-08-2002 02:19									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus I will start a new game soon. It ain't September 1 yet... (still can't decide what mod to use - have had several requested for GoodMod again but another mod would be better to give more modmakers a chance for feedback - then again, due to the Tournament less people might participate and that could hurt the feedback again )

(Moved from "Multiplayer Tournament")

Tough call. During this tournament I was able to finish another game I was in the middle of, at the same time, without much problem. If the MP tournament is only during the weekends, then there's the possibility people could do both, depending on their schedules. That said, you're probably right, to maximize the number of people playing a new mod, it is probably best to go back to SAP or GoodMod (although I've been having problems with this mod crashing back to the desk top) until the multi-player is over.

	29-08-2002 04:04									#168
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Well I am feeling that the current unreleased version is much more stable then v0.993, maybe I played right from the beginning with NumPlayers=9. So far only two crashes. They where repetive but I just had to reloadslic and I was able to play on. I only got two DebugSlic=Yes errors. So it is near that it is no problem to use DebugSlic=Yes . And another observation the optimized scripts allows to run the game much faster. I am now in the 19th century just after 6 hour of playing maybe in another 6 hours of playing it is done.

-Martin

	29-08-2002 19:06									#169
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quote: Originally posted by TheArsenal That said, you're probably right, to maximize the number of people playing a new mod, it is probably best to go back to SAP or GoodMod (although I've been having problems with this mod crashing back to the desk top) until the multi-player is over.

Well, I for one would like to test out another mod, such as Cradle, MedMod, or WAW. Goodmod and SAP are excellant mods, but I haven't been able to play much with these others either.

...and by the way, what's all of this talk about getting 50,000 points yikes!!!

	29-08-2002 23:39									#170
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quote: Originally posted by TheArsenal That said, you're probably right, to maximize the number of people playing a new mod, it is probably best to go back to SAP or GoodMod (although I've been having problems with this mod crashing back to the desk top) until the multi-player is over.

What are your MaxPlayers and NumPlayers settings in userprofile? I am currently playing on a SAP/GoodMod/UL map with 15 players and I am (almost) certain that having MaxPlayers=0 (default setting) caused a consistent crash during an AI’s turn at about 300 AD. When I set MaxPlayers=15 it didn’t crash. I have not encountered any crashes since then.

	30-08-2002 00:18									#171
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damn it yo

sorry but theres no way ill finish my game b4 december or somwhere near there.................................................

	30-08-2002 00:21									#172
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quote: Originally posted by ETB What are your MaxPlayers and NumPlayers settings in userprofile? I am currently playing on a SAP/GoodMod/UL map with 15 players and I am (almost) certain that having MaxPlayers=0 (default setting) caused a consistent crash during an AI’s turn at about 300 AD. When I set MaxPlayers=15 it didn’t crash. I have not encountered any crashes since then.

I was pretty sure that I had everything at default settings, and I may have checked this before when I was having trouble with the tourney game and this was brough up. But when I get home I will double check. I hope that this is the reason as its a simple solution and I was in the middle of a particularly interesting game.

	30-08-2002 18:56									#173
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hmm...just started the game again...and was able to build 3 of the ancient (antique) wonders...pyramids, ramajana and chinese wall....could anyone build more?

	30-08-2002 21:54									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Dread_Doomfist hmm...just started the game again...and was able to build 3 of the ancient (antique) wonders...pyramids, ramajana and chinese wall....could anyone build more?

Well in the end I had them all. I only tried to get the Ramajana. Actual the most important one, because it raises the happiness level of all your cities by three.

So far I nearly completed my restarted game with the modified rhules. It looks that I am not as good as last time, actual I wanted to be able to build the Gaja Controller and wanted to the AIs using fusion tanks and building sea cities.

-Martin

	31-08-2002 02:40									#175
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So second game completed but I doubt if it is even for the unofficial rankings. So far I made two significant rhule changes. First I lowerd the tech costs for the later atvances. Second I increased the slider happiness penalties for the later governements. So my sliders are maxed out but only for the new settings not for the old ones. So in the end I got less points then the first time.

So just use the one Marine on the troop transporter to conquer the last remaining Greek city or hit end turn.

-Martin

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	31-08-2002 05:49									#176
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Jesper,
Time is running out, if you still want to submit your game, do it fast!

Martin,
No, sorry. Those rule changes are too drastic to count, even in the unofficial ranking. Even with very minor rule changes one could almost double one's score if the changes are chosen differently, so that give an accurate comparison of your skills towards other players's. In your case, your score was only 24,725 - even worse than your official score!

HuangShan,
Sorry to hear that but I'm sure all the practice will ensure you'll have better luck next month!

	31-08-2002 16:01									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann So second game completed but I doubt if it is even for the unofficial rankings.

So what I said. But it wouldn't keep me from playing it a third time and of course posting it.

-Martin

	31-08-2002 19:22									#178
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Just in time ...

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	31-08-2002 19:26									#179
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Sorry:

Please sent my troops in the last arabian city.

Victory by bloodlust with 34895 points.

Jesper

	01-09-2002 04:24									#180
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Wow, excellent game, Jepser - I don't think I ever saw so many undersea cities or size 60 cities in one game before A pity you didn't have more time, in the extra 50 yours you might even have been able to cross the 40,000 point thresshold

Anyway, here's an update of the scores so far. Unless someone submits a game real soon it's also the final socre (with my game removed). The official ranking and a new tournament will be posted tomorrow or Monday (I have to work all day tomorrow so I'm not sure if I'll get around to it):

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Rank   Player		Victory Type	Year	Points  Cities	 Pop	Advanc	Wonders	Feats	Last Research
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 1   centrifuge		Diplomatic	 810 AD	 6,370	 16	 111	 21	 1	 2	Gunpowder
 2   Maquiladora	Diplomatic	 970 AD	 8,320	 18	 294	 38	 2	 3	Industrial Revol
 3   mnbryan37		Bloodlust	1290 AD	17,030	 22	 383	 37	10	 2	Economics
 4   Locutus (1)	Bloodlust	1505 AD	18,320	 48	 909	 44	12	 1	Oil Refining
 5   mapfi		Bloodlust	1550 AD	21,795	 55	1204	 58	17	 6	Jet Propulsion
 6   ETB		Bloodlust	2181 AD	19,500	 50 	1217	 59	13	 2	Modern Medicine	
 7   TheArsenal		Diplomatic	2218 AD	11,225	 33	 989	 50	 9	 1	Mass Media
 8   Jesper Portus	Bloodlust	2242 AD 34,895	 69	3684	104	31	11	-
 9   Shadow		Diplomatic	2291 AD 20,535	 40	 978	 78	14	 8	Nano-Assembly
10   Repistes		Bloodlust	2294 AD	30,445	 43	1473	 93	28	10	Cybernetics
11   Dread_Doomfist	Bloodlust	2299 AD	27,190	 40	1546	 90	27	 7	Ecotopia
12   Martin Gühmann	Bloodlust	2300 AD 28,055	 50	1961	 91	25	 9	Virtual Democracy

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Rank   Player		Victory Type	Points	Year    Cities	 Pop	Advanc	Wonders	Feats	Last Research
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 1   Jesper Portus	Bloodlust	34,895	2242 AD  69	3684	104	31	11	-
 2   Repistes		Bloodlust	30,445	2294 AD	 43	1473	 93	28	10	Cybernetics
 3   Martin Gühmann	Bloodlust	28,055	2300 AD  50	1961	 91	25	 9	Virtual Democracy
 4   Dread_Doomfist	Bloodlust	27,190	2299 AD	 40	1546	 90	27	 7	Ecotopia
 5   mapfi		Bloodlust	21,795	1550 AD	 55	1204	 58	17	 6	Jet Propulsion
 6   Shadow		Diplomatic	20,535	2291 AD  40	 978	 78	14	 8	Nano-Assembly
 7   ETB		Bloodlust	19,500	2181 AD	 50 	1217	 59	13	 2	Modern Medicine	
 8   Locutus (1)	Bloodlust	18,320	1505 AD	 48	 909	 44	12	 1	Oil Refining
 9   mnbryan37		Bloodlust	17,030	1290 AD	 22	 383	 37	10	 2	Economics
10   TheArsenal		Diplomatic	11,225	2218 AD	 33	 989	 50	 9	 1	Mass Media
11   Maquiladora	Diplomatic	 8,320	 970 AD	 18	 294	 38	 2	 3	Industrial Revol
12   centrifuge		Diplomatic	 6,370	 810 AD	 16	 111	 21	 1	 2	Gunpowder